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Old 09-25-2007, 04:49 PM   #1
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It would only make sense for the best drivers to want buttons and two steps banned. Why let others without their DIVINE capabilities use equipment to compete against them. On the subject of cheating just because they do not have a list of caught cheaters does not in any way suggest there no cheaters. That would be like saying that Chuck D. had the one and only bogus shortblock at indy because he was the only one on the list. LouisJeffery 3225 stock IHRA
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Old 09-25-2007, 05:48 PM   #2
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Default Re: Cheating [2-step And Buttons]

I can remotely understand the position of "if there are no buttons, it's much harder to have a delay".

However, do you really think that someone is going to hit the top bulb, while concealing their body and/or hand movement, hold the footbrake, and then release the footbrake on the bottom...without the starter and/or interested observers noticing that something doesn't look right. Do you really think that is going to go on for long without being detected?

But if you do...or if your position is that stock should be footbrake only (and I agree btw)...or for those that just somehow think that eliminating 2 steps will serve their own personal agenda (whatever it may be), please, get rid of them...for everyone...I'm all for it...level the playing field...make it as hard as possible to be good at this...

Then lets move on to another way that people are cheating (or perverting the very fiber of the class...feel free to choose any spin you'd like)...may I humbly suggest "blocking" as the next witch hunt...
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Old 09-25-2007, 06:31 PM   #3
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Default Re: Cheating [2-step And Buttons]

dan youve been driving too many cars this year...no wonder your win % is drooping a bit... and it might be that new paint job, ,the big V on the door looks like a target to me > LOL !!

anyway i do not think banning 2 steps will have any effect on the better drivers, it might effect the better cheaters !

and i agree get rid on R.T. (and incremetal times)...

i also agree IF cheating is going on the button is only the tip of the iceberg... downtrack ET assistance is easier and more helpful

captain jack and the U/SA 60 chevy wagon

besides i cant stand all that popping and stuttering next to me on the starting line while my tree is coming down
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Old 09-25-2007, 07:35 PM   #4
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Old 09-25-2007, 08:31 PM   #5
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Tom,

What's the problem with keeping stock footbrake only, if you want to race with a button get in S/S or Comp where transbrakes and buttons should be used... I know everyone keeps telling me there's no -advantage to the two steps, then why do you need them ? Tim, you are right, this is not about cheating or trying to beat the best racers, it's about getting electronics out of Stock class.. Yes, I know the same guys will keep winning, you are right but not using a two-step..No-body is questioning that point, it's about using electronics...Those guys are just better than the rest of us, they make fewer mistakes and practice a hellva alot more than we do..Give them credit, they race more and are just better than the rest... I can't wait to see the real vote,because we only hearing from the ones who want to keep two-steps and a few who don't mind getting bashed... NHRA, holds all the cards.....Time will tell, I thought more racers would be upset with FI cars in their class... Wait til next years opener and the first class race of the year...It should be very interesting in 2007..... enjoy !!!!! Dave...1033/stock
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Old 09-25-2007, 08:58 PM   #6
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I just don't see what the big deal is with this. Why all of a sudden do people want to ban two-steps and everything else. Two-steps at this point are a part of stock. Where were all of you guys 17 years ago when people started using them in stock. Where were your complaints then. I footbrake so it wont affect my driving. Other peoples driving may be affected, but probobly not. I'm not a purist at all so this may be offensive to some. It would be nice to have the opportunity to try a two-step in the future if the class doesn't get totally **....! By people who want to change everything they don't like about it. There are some things that bother me about stock, but I deal with it. Just go out and race! Maybe some of you guys would be as good as the people who must be cheating because they use a two-step! Get real! Go get some seat time and maybe you'll get that good! It's a matter of preference. Some like to use a two-step and some dont. People should still have the choice to choose how they want to race and what they want to use. How is it fair to start trying to change rules because you dont like them. How is that fair to the other racers.

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Old 09-25-2007, 10:02 PM   #7
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Default Re: Cheating [2-step And Buttons]

I know I probably need more seat time. I'd like to make, oh... about 9 passes at MIR this weekend.
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