HP Adjustments on NHRA.com

Byron Worner · 07-09-2014, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Beard

That's precisely my point. If you're going to argue that FWD conversion cars have an inherent advantage, then all FWD conversions cars should start out with a weight penalty. The aerodynamic and chassis advantages don't disappear when they change engines.

So you want to give an Achieva the same weight penalty as a brand new East Texas Cobalt?

cutta · 07-09-2014, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Byron Worner

So you want to give an Achieva the same weight penalty as a brand new East Texas Cobalt?

Surprisingly enough, the drag coefficient's of both cars are nearly the same. 0.32 and 0.33

SSDiv6 · 07-09-2014, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cutta

Surprisingly enough, the drag coefficient's of both cars are nearly the same. 0.32 and 0.33

The real difference is who builds the car!
There are big differences and approaches between the builders.

Ed Wright · 07-10-2014, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by cutta

Surprisingly enough, the drag coefficient's of both cars are nearly the same. 0.32 and 0.33

Where do you get that data?

Andys dad · 07-10-2014, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Where do you get that data?

That's what I was wondering ..

Must be true - I saw it on the internet - LMAO

Ron

Nitro Joe Jackson · 07-10-2014, 10:34 AM

in my latest stats only 10 FWD drive cars are are the fastest in the GT classes
hope that 55 chevy doesn't go to fast, he might get his body HP'ed, lol
GT/A … 1837 … Anthony Scinto … '94 Cavalier
GT/B … 356 … David Neal … '05 Sunfire
GT/C … 356 … David Neal … '05 Sunfire
GT/D … 354 … Ernie Neal … '05 Cavalier
GT/E … 5518 … Mark Jenkins … '02 Cavalier
GT/G … 3858 … Dan Jacobs … '05 Cavalier
GT/H … 1473 … Ray Scardelli … '97 Probe
GT/I … 5270 … Tim Nicholson … '67 Chevy II
GT/J … 2134 … Everett Hill … '64 Mustang
GT/K … 3997 … Bill Zaskowski … '66 Chevy II
GT/L … P270 … Rickey Pennington … '81 Malibu
GT/M … 6278 … Michael Parmenter … '55 Chevy
GT/AA … 1108 … Gary Richard … '10 Mustang
GT/BA … 2428 … Andy Fogle … '05 Cavilier
GT/CA … 3028 … Jerry Silveus … '05 Cavalier
GT/DA … 2207 … Jeff Taylor … '10 Cobalt
GT/EA … 1122 … TJ Boucher … '87 Camaro
GT/FA … 1409 … Eric Bardekoff … '68 Barracuda
GT/GA … 318 … Dan Kyle … '87 Firebird
GT/HA … 1140 … Tom Boucher … '85 Pontiac
GT/IA … 1231 … Victor Santos … '85 Firebird
GT/JA … 2619 … Joe Tysinger … '87 Firebird
GT/KA … 2117 … Glen Treadwell … '87 Camaro
GT/LA … 2117 … Glen Tredwell … '87 Camaro
GT/MA … 554 … Ron Roddel … '02 Grand Am

bert powell · 07-10-2014, 10:45 AM

Not to mention some of the cars being built completely ignore the rules and are allowed to race. There were pictures on here a while back of a bubble car being built that had a tube chassis with all the floor replaced. Don't remember the name but it is racing now.

Super stock is in my blood but if I was starting from scratch now I would do a 275 car. Cheaper, more races and heads up.

Stocker 2 · 07-10-2014, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bert powell

Not to mention some of the cars being built completely ignore the rules and are allowed to race. There were pictures on here a while back of a bubble car being built that had a tube chassis with all the floor replaced. Don't remember the name but it is racing now.

Super stock is in my blood but if I was starting from scratch now I would do a 275 car. Cheaper, more races and heads up.

After everyone saw those pictures of the floor pan, someone complained to NHRA and the car's floor was replaced with a correct floor pan.

j gardiner · 07-10-2014, 10:56 AM

Even though it is cumbersome I think you have to stick with the system that is in place now which is rating the engine combo and platform individually. There ate to many variables to do it otherwise fwd to rwd, aero, headers, carb to hood clearance etc.

Byron Worner · 07-10-2014, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Nitro Joe Jackson

in my latest stats only 10 FWD drive cars are are the fastest in the GT classes
hope that 55 chevy doesn't go to fast, he might get his body HP'ed, lol
GT/A … 1837 … Anthony Scinto … '94 Cavalier
GT/B … 356 … David Neal … '05 Sunfire
GT/C … 356 … David Neal … '05 Sunfire
GT/D … 354 … Ernie Neal … '05 Cavalier
GT/E … 5518 … Mark Jenkins … '02 Cavalier
GT/G … 3858 … Dan Jacobs … '05 Cavalier
GT/H … 1473 … Ray Scardelli … '97 Probe
GT/I … 5270 … Tim Nicholson … '67 Chevy II
GT/J … 2134 … Everett Hill … '64 Mustang
GT/K … 3997 … Bill Zaskowski … '66 Chevy II
GT/L … P270 … Rickey Pennington … '81 Malibu
GT/M … 6278 … Michael Parmenter … '55 Chevy
GT/AA … 1108 … Gary Richard … '10 Mustang
GT/BA … 2428 … Andy Fogle … '05 Cavilier
GT/CA … 3028 … Jerry Silveus … '05 Cavalier
GT/DA … 2207 … Jeff Taylor … '10 Cobalt
GT/EA … 1122 … TJ Boucher … '87 Camaro
GT/FA … 1409 … Eric Bardekoff … '68 Barracuda
GT/GA … 318 … Dan Kyle … '87 Firebird
GT/HA … 1140 … Tom Boucher … '85 Pontiac
GT/IA … 1231 … Victor Santos … '85 Firebird
GT/JA … 2619 … Joe Tysinger … '87 Firebird
GT/KA … 2117 … Glen Treadwell … '87 Camaro
GT/LA … 2117 … Glen Tredwell … '87 Camaro
GT/MA … 554 … Ron Roddel … '02 Grand Am

That list is missing a pile of fast FWD cars like Brina Splingaire, Norm Hall, Todd Franz, Mark Nowicki, Dave Layer, Bob Dennis and Irvin Johns. I'm sure I left out a bunch.

07-10-2014, 10:34 AM	#6
Nitro Joe Jackson VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Loudonville, Ohio or where ever the Nitro Lounge is parked Posts: 2,293 Likes: 58 Liked 67 Times in 19 Posts	Re: HP Adjustments on NHRA.com in my latest stats only 10 FWD drive cars are are the fastest in the GT classes hope that 55 chevy doesn't go to fast, he might get his body HP'ed, lol GT/A … 1837 … Anthony Scinto … '94 Cavalier GT/B … 356 … David Neal … '05 Sunfire GT/C … 356 … David Neal … '05 Sunfire GT/D … 354 … Ernie Neal … '05 Cavalier GT/E … 5518 … Mark Jenkins … '02 Cavalier GT/G … 3858 … Dan Jacobs … '05 Cavalier GT/H … 1473 … Ray Scardelli … '97 Probe GT/I … 5270 … Tim Nicholson … '67 Chevy II GT/J … 2134 … Everett Hill … '64 Mustang GT/K … 3997 … Bill Zaskowski … '66 Chevy II GT/L … P270 … Rickey Pennington … '81 Malibu GT/M … 6278 … Michael Parmenter … '55 Chevy GT/AA … 1108 … Gary Richard … '10 Mustang GT/BA … 2428 … Andy Fogle … '05 Cavilier GT/CA … 3028 … Jerry Silveus … '05 Cavalier GT/DA … 2207 … Jeff Taylor … '10 Cobalt GT/EA … 1122 … TJ Boucher … '87 Camaro GT/FA … 1409 … Eric Bardekoff … '68 Barracuda GT/GA … 318 … Dan Kyle … '87 Firebird GT/HA … 1140 … Tom Boucher … '85 Pontiac GT/IA … 1231 … Victor Santos … '85 Firebird GT/JA … 2619 … Joe Tysinger … '87 Firebird GT/KA … 2117 … Glen Treadwell … '87 Camaro GT/LA … 2117 … Glen Tredwell … '87 Camaro GT/MA … 554 … Ron Roddel … '02 Grand Am __________________ Nitro Joe Jackson STK 3431 nitrojoe@neo.rr.com

07-10-2014, 10:45 AM	#7
bert powell Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 243 Likes: 36 Liked 34 Times in 12 Posts	Re: HP Adjustments on NHRA.com Not to mention some of the cars being built completely ignore the rules and are allowed to race. There were pictures on here a while back of a bubble car being built that had a tube chassis with all the floor replaced. Don't remember the name but it is racing now. Super stock is in my blood but if I was starting from scratch now I would do a 275 car. Cheaper, more races and heads up.

07-10-2014, 10:56 AM	#9
j gardiner Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: waldorf Posts: 221 Likes: 14 Liked 55 Times in 29 Posts	Re: HP Adjustments on NHRA.com Even though it is cumbersome I think you have to stick with the system that is in place now which is rating the engine combo and platform individually. There ate to many variables to do it otherwise fwd to rwd, aero, headers, carb to hood clearance etc.