Where you qualify is very important

Sean Marconette · 07-23-2014, 02:00 PM

So because someone qualifies at the top of the pack they should get a free round? Not all combinations set the world on fire. The last time I checked, until the pairings go from an odd number of cars to an even number there has to be a bye run. I guess I do not get this thought process, unless a person is always at the top of the pack and thinks its unfair to have to make more elimination runs compared to a lower qualified car. Play the ladder if you can. It must not work too bad for the touring guys, I'm sure if they wanted to be a top 5 or 10 qualifier they would do so, it just does not pay as well.

Sean

5919 SSKA · 07-23-2014, 03:21 PM

Mr. Cunningham sells a really nice ladder book, which can help you pretty quickly figure out where the 'sweet spots' are on any Sportsman ladder. It's a handy little tool IMO.

Bob Mulry · 07-23-2014, 03:30 PM

I don't understand how people look at our sport......

In a 26 car field if #14 qualified car beats #1 qualified car in the first round then that bye in the 2nd Round goes to the #14 qualifier.....

All you have do is win your round with #1 and you get their bye run......

Seem fair to me...

Just like Al Davis said "Just win baby"

7423 · 07-23-2014, 03:58 PM

The path of least resistence will net the most gain for the least amount of work. Just like in any other game, you are given a set of rules to play by. Using them to your best advantage is the most profitable way to play. I find it amazing to hear racers complaining about others lifting at 1000ft. Attaching numbers to where you qualify is only a way to form a ladder. There will always be a number 1 and a number last. Where you are in between will determine if you are home for lunch on Sunday or very early for breakfast on Monday.

Another Friendly Racer · 07-23-2014, 04:10 PM

I'd love to qualify in the bottom 8 in the scenario presented. No fast cars to race heads up in the first 3 rounds! There might really be a lot of game playing then. As we have learned through the years, be careful what you wish for.

Tony Janes · 07-23-2014, 04:14 PM

65 car field bye in the first bye into the final and there are others.

Bobby Fazio · 07-23-2014, 04:49 PM

Don't forget about the certain sweet spots where you get two byes! PM me or email me about the ladder software I advertised last year. Makes life way easier..

thomas sheehan · 07-24-2014, 06:41 PM

Mr. Schwartz.... I am 100% behind you!.

ALL BYES IN THE FIRST RD!
Get down to even number for rd 2 (16, 32, or 64 cars)

In your example from post number 1....
Byes would go to 1 through 12 in rd 1
(13 vs 17, 14 vs 18, 15 vs 19, 16 vs 20)

Now... you must qualify in top 12 to get a bye
and... 16 cars (even field) are back for round 2

Me and Mike are probably the only ones that this makes sense to!

Michael Beard · 07-24-2014, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas sheehan

ALL BYES IN THE FIRST RD!
Get down to even number for rd 2 (16, 32, or 64 cars)

63-car field with this kind of ladder: 31 bye runs first round.

Existing 63-car ladder: total number of bye runs: 1

When trying to correct a perceived issue, beware of the unintended consequences.

$.02,

07-23-2014, 03:21 PM	#2
5919 SSKA Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sauk Rapids, MN Posts: 284 Likes: 20 Liked 19 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Where you qualify is very important Mr. Cunningham sells a really nice ladder book, which can help you pretty quickly figure out where the 'sweet spots' are on any Sportsman ladder. It's a handy little tool IMO. __________________ Racing web page

07-23-2014, 03:30 PM	#3
Bob Mulry VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Coarsegold, CA Posts: 1,016 Likes: 57 Liked 320 Times in 102 Posts	Re: Where you qualify is very important I don't understand how people look at our sport...... In a 26 car field if #14 qualified car beats #1 qualified car in the first round then that bye in the 2nd Round goes to the #14 qualifier..... All you have do is win your round with #1 and you get their bye run...... Seem fair to me... Just like Al Davis said "Just win baby" __________________ Bob Mulry 7516 STK A & M Motorsports

07-23-2014, 03:58 PM	#4
7423 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 639 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Where you qualify is very important The path of least resistence will net the most gain for the least amount of work. Just like in any other game, you are given a set of rules to play by. Using them to your best advantage is the most profitable way to play. I find it amazing to hear racers complaining about others lifting at 1000ft. Attaching numbers to where you qualify is only a way to form a ladder. There will always be a number 1 and a number last. Where you are in between will determine if you are home for lunch on Sunday or very early for breakfast on Monday.

07-23-2014, 04:10 PM	#5
Another Friendly Racer Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 152 Likes: 0 Liked 19 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Where you qualify is very important I'd love to qualify in the bottom 8 in the scenario presented. No fast cars to race heads up in the first 3 rounds! There might really be a lot of game playing then. As we have learned through the years, be careful what you wish for.

07-23-2014, 04:14 PM	#6
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 94 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Where you qualify is very important 65 car field bye in the first bye into the final and there are others. __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS

07-23-2014, 02:00 PM	#1
Sean Marconette Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 977 Likes: 792 Liked 275 Times in 76 Posts	Re: Where you qualify is very important So because someone qualifies at the top of the pack they should get a free round? Not all combinations set the world on fire. The last time I checked, until the pairings go from an odd number of cars to an even number there has to be a bye run. I guess I do not get this thought process, unless a person is always at the top of the pack and thinks its unfair to have to make more elimination runs compared to a lower qualified car. Play the ladder if you can. It must not work too bad for the touring guys, I'm sure if they wanted to be a top 5 or 10 qualifier they would do so, it just does not pay as well. Sean __________________ Sean Marconette 84 Mustang 5060 SS/N

07-23-2014, 04:49 PM	#7
Bobby Fazio VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Egg Harbor Township, NJ Posts: 1,467 Likes: 1,444 Liked 4,365 Times in 501 Posts	Re: Where you qualify is very important Don't forget about the certain sweet spots where you get two byes! PM me or email me about the ladder software I advertised last year. Makes life way easier.. __________________ '65 Mustang SS/L & L/SA DriverInterviews.com \| App.DragInsights.com

07-24-2014, 06:41 PM	#8
thomas sheehan Photographer Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,717 Likes: 24 Liked 75 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Where you qualify is very important Mr. Schwartz.... I am 100% behind you!. ALL BYES IN THE FIRST RD! Get down to even number for rd 2 (16, 32, or 64 cars) In your example from post number 1.... Byes would go to 1 through 12 in rd 1 (13 vs 17, 14 vs 18, 15 vs 19, 16 vs 20) Now... you must qualify in top 12 to get a bye and... 16 cars (even field) are back for round 2 Me and Mike are probably the only ones that this makes sense to! __________________ Tom Sheehan SS GT/NA 1046