NHRA does not budge from National Event Entry Procedure

MR DERBY CITY · 07-30-2014, 01:46 PM

After Dan failed to enter the Denver national event on time he stated that he was going to discuss the procedure with Graham Light. It looks like his request fell on deaf ears as NHRA is sticking with their National Event entry procedure.

Ron Ortiz · 07-30-2014, 03:37 PM

Well I guess that throws out the "greedy for money" motives on various posts in the past.

I just do not understand the theory of their decision. I was involved in a similar situation several years ago at the Gators, and it seemed that their logic has not changed.

How can IHRA let you pay at the gate, but NHRA you can't?

Ron Ortiz
U/SA money for nothing

Carguy49 · 07-30-2014, 04:05 PM

Especially if the field isn't full. Take, for example, the Northwest Nationals at Pacific Raceways this weekend. Total allowed 408 entries, pre-entered 294. Obviously there is room for a few more "late" entries. If NHRA truly is "money hungry" as some have said, let's fill the field.

Jack Matyas · 07-30-2014, 04:42 PM

[QUOTE=Carguy49;439925 Obviously there is room for a few more "late" entries. /QUOTE]

It's like Jello - always room for more .But the problem for the NHRA is if you let a few enter late sooner or later it'll be like the IHRA where almost no one pre-enters because they don't have to .And it's tough to have enough staff when you don't know how many are coming .Case in point was Denver - who knew so few cars would show up ?

farmco r/sa · 07-30-2014, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Carguy49

Especially if the field isn't full. Take, for example, the Northwest Nationals at Pacific Raceways this weekend. Total allowed 408 entries, pre-entered 294. Obviously there is room for a few more "late" entries. If NHRA truly is "money hungry" as some have said, let's fill the field.

seattle did not fill ? I am shocked. that is a real nice track
I have heard...I imagine there is still a bunch of super stockers
broke. stock was nearly full, 46 on a 50 quota.

Carguy49 · 07-30-2014, 06:28 PM

It's like Jello - always room for more .But the problem for the NHRA is if you let a few enter late sooner or later it'll be like the IHRA where almost no one pre-enters because they don't have to .And it's tough to have enough staff when you don't know how many are coming .Case in point was Denver - who knew so few cars would show up ?[/QUOTE]

Good point Jack and one that I hadn't thought of. Considering staffing needs, couldn't they limit late entries to no more that quota, so that no more than was originally listed would be allowed. That way staffing would be sufficient for the event. Case in point Seattle quota for S/S is 40 and 28 are pre-entered. I know this will probably open a can of worms, but here goes. Couldn't NHRA still require pre-entries, but allow racers to enter late due to plans changing for the racer in question. Maybe I am way off here, but it would help with car counts, possibly.

FireSale · 07-30-2014, 06:57 PM

$50 surcharge on entries after the posted deadline? That would weed out the slackers referred to earlier.

I was going to suggest a discount for early entry. What was I thinking???

Dale

The Hawk · 07-30-2014, 07:30 PM

It`s happened once to a well know racer everyone knows and I`m sure many others over the years. I don't understand what the big deal is. Rules are rules. They shouldn`t be changed because of one person regardless of NHRA`s reasons.

Ron Ortiz · 07-30-2014, 07:38 PM

How much staff is needed to operate say 64 car field vs a 128 car field. Not many I would believe. It is good to know the entries ahead of time for parking, schedule, etc. But if you are in the entertainment business, you should be prepared for the expectant count. More is better, and can be easily adjusted to. The way it is now they are lowering entry quotas. And I will just about bet you that personnel working at the track are not being over paid. The only impact that a higher than expected car count does is require more pit space.

Having far less car count definitely hurts the promoter/event sponsor, but they should never be understaffed. Service is a value to the customer.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA they have been counters you know.

Patric Fox · 07-31-2014, 10:18 AM

They state parking as a reason for not changing, but I believe they could care less about Sportsman parking. If I enter late at Maple Grove, do I get worse mud to park in than someone else?

07-30-2014, 01:46 PM	#1
MR DERBY CITY VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Derby City, USA Posts: 3,613 Likes: 1,073 Liked 7,796 Times in 1,498 Posts	NHRA does not budge from National Event Entry Procedure After Dan failed to enter the Denver national event on time he stated that he was going to discuss the procedure with Graham Light. It looks like his request fell on deaf ears as NHRA is sticking with their National Event entry procedure.

07-30-2014, 03:37 PM	#2
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 988 Likes: 33 Liked 315 Times in 102 Posts	Re: NHRA does not budge from National Event Entry Procedure Well I guess that throws out the "greedy for money" motives on various posts in the past. I just do not understand the theory of their decision. I was involved in a similar situation several years ago at the Gators, and it seemed that their logic has not changed. How can IHRA let you pay at the gate, but NHRA you can't? Ron Ortiz U/SA money for nothing __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK

07-30-2014, 04:05 PM	#3
Carguy49 VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Fife, Washington Posts: 1,962 Likes: 2,407 Liked 2,889 Times in 694 Posts	Re: NHRA does not budge from National Event Entry Procedure Especially if the field isn't full. Take, for example, the Northwest Nationals at Pacific Raceways this weekend. Total allowed 408 entries, pre-entered 294. Obviously there is room for a few more "late" entries. If NHRA truly is "money hungry" as some have said, let's fill the field. __________________ Ron McDowell - Did Race Every day is a Gift - Enjoy with family and friends.

07-30-2014, 04:42 PM	#4
Jack Matyas Live Reporter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bethlehem , PA -Christmas City , USA Posts: 4,913 Likes: 404 Liked 1,945 Times in 388 Posts	Re: NHRA does not budge from National Event Entry Procedure [QUOTE=Carguy49;439925 Obviously there is room for a few more "late" entries. /QUOTE] It's like Jello - always room for more .But the problem for the NHRA is if you let a few enter late sooner or later it'll be like the IHRA where almost no one pre-enters because they don't have to .And it's tough to have enough staff when you don't know how many are coming .Case in point was Denver - who knew so few cars would show up ? __________________ Jack Matyas 1547 FS/C 2015 Camaro COPO # 62- 2012 Camaro Convertible COPO

07-30-2014, 06:28 PM	#6
Carguy49 VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Fife, Washington Posts: 1,962 Likes: 2,407 Liked 2,889 Times in 694 Posts	Re: NHRA does not budge from National Event Entry Procedure It's like Jello - always room for more .But the problem for the NHRA is if you let a few enter late sooner or later it'll be like the IHRA where almost no one pre-enters because they don't have to .And it's tough to have enough staff when you don't know how many are coming .Case in point was Denver - who knew so few cars would show up ?[/QUOTE] Good point Jack and one that I hadn't thought of. Considering staffing needs, couldn't they limit late entries to no more that quota, so that no more than was originally listed would be allowed. That way staffing would be sufficient for the event. Case in point Seattle quota for S/S is 40 and 28 are pre-entered. I know this will probably open a can of worms, but here goes. Couldn't NHRA still require pre-entries, but allow racers to enter late due to plans changing for the racer in question. Maybe I am way off here, but it would help with car counts, possibly. __________________ Ron McDowell - Did Race Every day is a Gift - Enjoy with family and friends.

07-30-2014, 06:57 PM	#7
FireSale VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Lakewood Washington Posts: 1,407 Likes: 29 Liked 237 Times in 126 Posts	Re: NHRA does not budge from National Event Entry Procedure $50 surcharge on entries after the posted deadline? That would weed out the slackers referred to earlier. I was going to suggest a discount for early entry. What was I thinking??? Dale __________________ Dale Shearon 68 Mustang 6394

07-30-2014, 07:30 PM	#8
The Hawk VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Littleton,Colorado Posts: 1,194 Likes: 0 Liked 249 Times in 109 Posts	Re: NHRA does not budge from National Event Entry Procedure It`s happened once to a well know racer everyone knows and I`m sure many others over the years. I don't understand what the big deal is. Rules are rules. They shouldn`t be changed because of one person regardless of NHRA`s reasons. __________________ Lane Weber It`s Not What You Drive That Wins....It`s How You Drive It

07-30-2014, 07:38 PM	#9
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 988 Likes: 33 Liked 315 Times in 102 Posts	Re: NHRA does not budge from National Event Entry Procedure How much staff is needed to operate say 64 car field vs a 128 car field. Not many I would believe. It is good to know the entries ahead of time for parking, schedule, etc. But if you are in the entertainment business, you should be prepared for the expectant count. More is better, and can be easily adjusted to. The way it is now they are lowering entry quotas. And I will just about bet you that personnel working at the track are not being over paid. The only impact that a higher than expected car count does is require more pit space. Having far less car count definitely hurts the promoter/event sponsor, but they should never be understaffed. Service is a value to the customer. Ron Ortiz U/SA they have been counters you know. __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK

07-31-2014, 10:18 AM	#10
Patric Fox Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pottstown,Pa. Posts: 121 Likes: 24 Liked 11 Times in 8 Posts	Re: NHRA does not budge from National Event Entry Procedure They state parking as a reason for not changing, but I believe they could care less about Sportsman parking. If I enter late at Maple Grove, do I get worse mud to park in than someone else?