What's wrong with Stock?

zracer305 · 09-02-2014, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ Sledge

Greg

Very good original post Greg.

We all seem to agree that the problem is about "Bogus" hp ratings on the New Cars, Factory Influence (spelled $$$$), lack of enforcement of Stock rules for F/S cars and NHRA not following their own rules, etc.

So what can be done to persuade NHRA to do anything different?? I like the idea of not contributing to their bottom line and staying away from the National Events, but I don't see that happening. Just look at how many attended INDY knowing they had no chance of making the Eliminator, but its their money and time and they chose to go and had a good time.

Who speaks for the majority of us? Who could/would talk to NHRA? Most important is who would listen at NHRA??

Trying to get all the Stock Racers to agree is like trying to herd a bunch of cats, slim chance of that happening.

RJ

Boycott the next nationals!!!

Bob Mulry · 09-02-2014, 01:54 PM

Hi Guys & Gals,

This is my last post on this thread........

NHRA in its bipolar wisdom has, in the past, repaired an error of the same magnitude....

GM came out with the, street legal, in the Classification Guide, FI cars with the obscene low HP ratings to race the lower classes...

NHRA said that the AHFS would fix it. It didn't because they didn't have to go fast to race and they had a very large HP cushion to lean on...

NHRA, it's hard to believe, made the correct decision to put all of the FI cars in their own set of classes. When that happened it forced them to run their cars harder and take the AHFS hits.

After they beat each other up and had realistic HP ratings, NHRA removed the FI classes and put them back into the original class structure that they started in.

Those cars now raced in the appropriate classes..

But being bipolar, NHRA, can't look back and see how to fix this problem because they are blinded by money...

I don't care what they call the new Factory FX cars...

Maybe AFX/SA & AFX/S, BFX/SA & BFX/S, etc and have them race heads up, with the same exact rules for that ALL of the other cars that race Stock Eliminator race under until the HP numbers make sense...

This worked in the past, why not now??????????

Good luck,
Bob

Jack McCarthy · 09-02-2014, 02:26 PM

as one of the 17 cars under HP review today...i cannot state how pis#$%^d off i am about the 27 cars without review because they are "SPECIAL"....

well i was the oldest stocker to win class, fastest VIN car without a HP debacle in the last 3-4 years... so im under review...

lousy #31 on the sheet > gee thanks NHRA
i am sure glad roy WANTED to be part of the 60th Big Fiasco.

seeyall in columbus about -.54 under

captain jack

i did get to beat that mustang II >> HeHe !!!

Bunkster · 09-03-2014, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

....i am sure glad roy WANTED to be part of the 60th Big Fiasco...

Too many don't recall, or aren't aware, of the stock final in 1986.

Wayne W · 09-03-2014, 10:22 AM

How about. New cars in Stock and older cars in Jr. Stock ??

Just a thought.

X-TECH MAN · 09-03-2014, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayne W

How about. New cars in Stock and older cars in Jr. Stock ??

Just a thought.

Good post but a lot of the older car racers have the "EGO" thing. Not a bad thing but its there none the less about being in a "lesser" program. Local racing years ago split the cars into Top Stock, Middle stock, and Jr. Stock. NHRA had Top Stock and Jr. stock because of minor rule differences and tire size but today we have Super Stock. The older cars and the new stuff (2008 and newer) just needs to be factored correctly. The speed difference could be a safety issue. The win and round money wont improve with a new eliminator either. Just thoughts of a long time ago vs today. I hope NHRA gets their act together soon. In my opinion (I know.....that dosent mean poop) the new car factors are not even close yet. Just mentioned some things for the young guys who were not there in the "stone age".

Kenny Wigington · 09-03-2014, 02:46 PM

Just a suggestion, from my little brain. Since the factories have successfully lobbied and gotten the HP ratings they wanted, and they are at the forefront, where they wanted them to be to begin with,let's all get together. All that see this as a grave disservice to the racers that have supported Stock and SS, lets put together a list of names, and comp #'s, and all stay behind it, and send it to NHRA. All of us, realize, that all 3 wanted and got what they wanted, so do us a solid favor, to keep us here. Give us all say.75/second( or something like it) back on our indexes. Lets square this , for all of us. You had an extra $18K from non qualifiers from Indy. That's your icing. Let's share the cake , we all enjoy.

Talk is talk. Lets all do something, and or scuff our shoes in the dirt.

Jim Bailey · 09-03-2014, 02:56 PM

Just do what Tavis and Bruce proposed four (4) years ago...( before it was shot down by the SRAC ). Make the AHFS instant hit at 1.0 second under. Then apply it across the board for all cars in Stock and SS eliminator. This will help factor all soft combos and speed up the process tremendously!

Rose Racing · 09-03-2014, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Bunkster

Too many don't recall, or aren't aware, of the stock final in 1986.

fill us in please

Bunkster · 09-03-2014, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rose Racing

fill us in please

Merely that Mr. McCarthy mentioned “Roy”, who ran his wagon this year at Indy.

Roy Dean has run a wagon at Indy before. In 1986, Roy, in his R/SA, was runner up to Gary Long in his F/S Mercury.

Just some pleasant memories.

09-02-2014, 01:54 PM	#2
Bob Mulry VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Coarsegold, CA Posts: 1,016 Likes: 57 Liked 320 Times in 102 Posts	Re: What's wrong with Stock? Hi Guys & Gals, This is my last post on this thread........ NHRA in its bipolar wisdom has, in the past, repaired an error of the same magnitude.... GM came out with the, street legal, in the Classification Guide, FI cars with the obscene low HP ratings to race the lower classes... NHRA said that the AHFS would fix it. It didn't because they didn't have to go fast to race and they had a very large HP cushion to lean on... NHRA, it's hard to believe, made the correct decision to put all of the FI cars in their own set of classes. When that happened it forced them to run their cars harder and take the AHFS hits. After they beat each other up and had realistic HP ratings, NHRA removed the FI classes and put them back into the original class structure that they started in. Those cars now raced in the appropriate classes.. But being bipolar, NHRA, can't look back and see how to fix this problem because they are blinded by money... I don't care what they call the new Factory FX cars... Maybe AFX/SA & AFX/S, BFX/SA & BFX/S, etc and have them race heads up, with the same exact rules for that ALL of the other cars that race Stock Eliminator race under until the HP numbers make sense... This worked in the past, why not now?????????? Good luck, Bob __________________ Bob Mulry 7516 STK A & M Motorsports Last edited by Bob Mulry; 09-02-2014 at 03:08 PM.

09-03-2014, 10:22 AM	#5
Wayne W Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 91 Likes: 8 Liked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: What's wrong with Stock? How about. New cars in Stock and older cars in Jr. Stock ?? Just a thought.

09-03-2014, 02:46 PM	#7
Kenny Wigington Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Cumming,Ga. USA Posts: 967 Likes: 36 Liked 60 Times in 12 Posts	Re: What's wrong with Stock? Just a suggestion, from my little brain. Since the factories have successfully lobbied and gotten the HP ratings they wanted, and they are at the forefront, where they wanted them to be to begin with,let's all get together. All that see this as a grave disservice to the racers that have supported Stock and SS, lets put together a list of names, and comp #'s, and all stay behind it, and send it to NHRA. All of us, realize, that all 3 wanted and got what they wanted, so do us a solid favor, to keep us here. Give us all say.75/second( or something like it) back on our indexes. Lets square this , for all of us. You had an extra $18K from non qualifiers from Indy. That's your icing. Let's share the cake , we all enjoy. Talk is talk. Lets all do something, and or scuff our shoes in the dirt. __________________ 2894 STK

09-03-2014, 02:56 PM	#8
Jim Bailey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 674 Likes: 15 Liked 584 Times in 94 Posts	Re: What's wrong with Stock? Just do what Tavis and Bruce proposed four (4) years ago...( before it was shot down by the SRAC ). Make the AHFS instant hit at 1.0 second under. Then apply it across the board for all cars in Stock and SS eliminator. This will help factor all soft combos and speed up the process tremendously!

09-02-2014, 02:26 PM	#3
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,322 Likes: 29 Liked 477 Times in 117 Posts	Re: What's wrong with Stock? as one of the 17 cars under HP review today...i cannot state how pis#$%^d off i am about the 27 cars without review because they are "SPECIAL".... well i was the oldest stocker to win class, fastest VIN car without a HP debacle in the last 3-4 years... so im under review... lousy #31 on the sheet > gee thanks NHRA i am sure glad roy WANTED to be part of the 60th Big Fiasco. seeyall in columbus about -.54 under captain jack i did get to beat that mustang II >> HeHe !!! __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"