What's wrong with Stock?

[Jim Bailey]

Just do what Tavis and Bruce proposed four (4) years ago...( before it was shot down by the SRAC ). Make the AHFS instant hit at 1.0 second under. Then apply it across the board for all cars in Stock and SS eliminator. This will help factor all soft combos and speed up the process tremendously!

[FireSale]

By the numbers a C/SA running 1.0 under the index is a 10.40 car. The B/SA index is 11.25, so the C/SA car is still a competitive 0.85 under the B/SA index.

How about a variation of the breakout rule where qualifying 1.0 or greater under index bumps the car up a class and 1.0 or more under during eliminations is a breakout loss?

Let the cars at the top of the class ladder qualify against the National record since there's no upper class to bump them to. Or would that just tick people off?

Dale

[AlanPetersJr.]

Hi guys, this has been an interesting read. I'm glad that i grew up in a time
when i watched my dad Al Sr. build and machine his own engines,4 speeds
set up rears cams(you get the picture) I was also fortunate to go to many
Div. 1 races and learn watching all these TOUGH racers work on their cars.
This helped me to prepare my own stock elim. car (thanks Barry & Gary
Parker, Don Scinto, Eddie Bednaz and the rest) To me, making your car
run under or set the record (I did 3 times) is half the fun! The other fun
part is turning on the win light! If I could turn on the time machine I'd proabally
set it to 1970's stock elim (with a 4 speed of course!) I feel that ALL
stockers should play with the same set of rules. Also what about IHRA?
I know the payout is not there,but when the car count goes up, I'm sure the
money will follow.One final thing,I have always felt that NHRA has always
treated the stockers like 2nd class citizens. My form of class racing will
consist of stock / super stock all-star type races, have run racing your
friends. making new ones and maybe win a few bucks.Not feeding the NHRA
money machine... Just my 2 cents Al jr.

[Marty Knox]

What's wrong with Stock? The fact that someone who's smart, and willing to work hard, but can't spend a lot of money has little or no chance of winning.

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by Marty Knox

What's wrong with Stock? The fact that someone who's smart, and willing to work hard, but can't spend a lot of money has little or no chance of winning.

I don't know what you mean,but except for Indy,you can win (eliminator,NOT class) in Stock Eliminator with any car or truck that can simply run the index.

[SSGT Mustang]

The only problem that I see with the new cars is that they make the old cars look......old.....and slow.

[Mark Yacavone]

I think we pretty much know what's wrong.
Time to start a thread about how to fix it.
I'd do that myself, but I haven't wrapped my brain all the way around this.
This is not gonna be easy.
This deal has been five years in the making.

I suggest make it pithy ..Hit the high points first.

No complex formulas..Dial over , dial under , move a class up , down ,add this % , take away this %, etc .etc, They won't pay attention to that stuff , nor will most here .

Keep it relatively simple, practical, and workable.


Go...

[Bill Diehl]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

I think we pretty much know what's wrong.
Time to start a thread about how to fix it.
I'd do that myself, but I haven't wrapped my brain all the way around this.
This is not gonna be easy.
This deal has been five years in the making.

I suggest make it pithy ..Hit the high points first.

No complex formulas..Dial over , dial under , move a class up , down ,add this % , take away this %, etc .etc, They won't pay attention to that stuff , nor will most here .

Keep it relatively simple, practical, and workable.


Go...

Run them all off an index same as comp, run under and you are "hit" penalized the same way as comp does. Same exact formula for all classes.

The hard part is getting everything in the "right" class but, after a few events it will sort itself out.

Now that's gonna hurt some feelings

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

I think we pretty much know what's wrong.
Time to start a thread about how to fix it.
I'd do that myself, but I haven't wrapped my brain all the way around this.
This is not gonna be easy.
This deal has been five years in the making.

I suggest make it pithy ..Hit the high points first.

No complex formulas..Dial over , dial under , move a class up , down ,add this % , take away this %, etc .etc, They won't pay attention to that stuff , nor will most here .

Keep it relatively simple, practical, and workable.


Go...

Simple:
http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...3&postcount=98

[Carguy49]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

I think we pretty much know what's wrong.
Time to start a thread about how to fix it.
I'd do that myself, but I haven't wrapped my brain all the way around this.
This is not gonna be easy.
This deal has been five years in the making.

I suggest make it pithy ..Hit the high points first.

No complex formulas..Dial over , dial under , move a class up , down ,add this % , take away this %, etc .etc, They won't pay attention to that stuff , nor will most here .

Keep it relatively simple, practical, and workable.


Go...

Mark, here is an idea. The quickest runs by the factory cars at Indy were - FS/A @ 8.646 and FS/B @ 8.849. So we know what the cars are capable of. Make the indexes starting the next time they run - FS/A @ 9.75 and FS/B @ 10.00 and implement the AHFS for all cars. That should level the playing field and make most races happy, at least for a little while. Just my 2 cents, but hey you gotta start somewhere.