Horsepower Adjustments - Page 5

GUMP · 09-04-2014, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Kaekel

What are you worried about? Why would someone complain about a guy that "runs his car all out"..........

I think it is a shame that they got such a big hit in one shot for no particular reason. I am not complaining. They paid the same entry money that I did.

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.........when they've got a totally bogus HP rating, even after a "hit".

You are contradicting yourself!

Pedigo Perf · 09-04-2014, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MKopp5787

I know let a guy buy the name keith lynch drive them all he'll have them all straight in 1 month

You got that right! Keith is the man...

Ed Wright · 09-04-2014, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigo Perf

You got that right! Keith is the man...

Ditto!

goinbroke2 · 09-04-2014, 07:10 PM

Wait a minute..some complain about 1000ft racing, others complain about balls to the wall all the time racing, nobody likes bracket racing.....holy crap guys make up your mind of what you want to bitch about!

The guy ran it all out, good for him, his choice (well, the owners but you get what I mean) Takes a hit, fine, he sleeps in the bed he makes.

I can respect the decision to protect your index, but I can also respect the guy who just wants to run it out.

69Cobra · 09-04-2014, 07:17 PM

Kudos to Mr. Wilkes! There are real Stockers that didn't qualify for this race and I don't think anybody is going to give any sympathy to a bogus combo getting a hit that still is no where near where it needs to be. Now somebody give Keith Lynch the keys to another one.

69Cobra · 09-04-2014, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by goinbroke2

Wait a minute..some complain about 1000ft racing, others complain about balls to the wall all the time racing, nobody likes bracket racing.....holy crap guys make up your mind of what you want to bitch about!

The guy ran it all out, good for him, his choice (well, the owners but you get what I mean) Takes a hit, fine, he sleeps in the bed he makes.

I can respect the decision to protect your index, but I can also respect the guy who just wants to run it out.

X2!!! Where's the LIKE button!

Irv Johns · 09-04-2014, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperCarFan

What makes guys like Wilkes bomb a combo like the 396 COPO during qualifying when they are not anywhere near the bump? Ego or ???

Wilkes was sandbagging till GOOF BALL Steve Novisel went 1.28 under qualifying after he already went 1.05. He was driving my car and I told him too run it out. I get tired of all these people destroying these combinations so I thought being I was getting horsepower I might as well do it. Now Novisel has some horsepower.....

SuperCarFan · 09-04-2014, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Irv Johns

Wilkes was sandbagging till GOOF BALL Steve Novisel went 1.28 under qualifying after he already went 1.05. He was driving my car and I told him too run it out. I get tired of all these people destroying these combinations so I thought being I was getting horsepower I might as well do it. Now Novisel has some horsepower.....

Sincerely, I appreciate your open honesty about what really happened. Nasty fast car!

james schaechter · 09-04-2014, 09:27 PM

I think the New Cars are cool! Love the racers that run them too. We don't have one. That being said, it is not working when the owners of old cars and the owners of new cars are unhappy avout it. NHRA bears the responsibility here. They should be working on a plan that allows old and new to compete within the same zipcode at least. Everyone that has been arou d understands that the new combos, whatever they have been and will be are going to get a softball factor. If they didn't, no one would buy or build them. That wouldn't be good for the sport. The problem is that NHRA has allowed factors that are a 100hp or more off. AHFS is not designed to address that kind of variance.
The highly compensated executives could make adjustments to tighten it up juat a touch. Indy was no mineshaft and yet, many racers were worried about going too fast.
When you are at Indy, and you are worried about going too fast, the system needs work.

In our case, we didn't qualify. Not crying here. If we had our stuff together, we could have. We just didn't get it done. Next year perhaps, even with more new cars. That will be our goal. I would rather struggle to qualify than shut off half track. I would enter the super classes if I wanted that. The point is that we need both new and old cars. It should be hard to compete against the new stuff, but not impossible. We need constructive and perhaps new ideas to help keep performance in play and enough parity to keep the many cars that exist in play.

As far as getting HP. I get it. However, it is one thing to get hp because of mineshaft conditions like the Gators, but in the soup at Indy? Please stop the crying when you have another 80 hp to bank and still be competitive. And, if you aren't willing to pull out the stops to go for class at Indy, what the heck else would you save it for? Nobody cares how fast you go in testing. Call it ego or trying to measure up with others. Indy has always been a measuring stick for performance. I hope that doesn't change.

Now, you might say I have no idea about what the new car owners feel like, but that would be incorrect. On the first qualifying pass, they had our car incorrectly listed in I Stick instead of E stick. Number 2 qualifier! 10.84 on a 12.20 index. Sound crazy, but if we could run the 327 in I at 229 hp, it would be a lot like some of the crazy factors that are popping up these days.

. They fixed it of course, but a girl can dream right?

B Parker · 09-05-2014, 01:45 AM

Jeff the problem with giving us older cars any hp reduction is the AHFS will catch up with that reduction and have us back to where we are now is a short time. With the new cars this year it's a 2013 next year the same car is a 2014 with a different hp combo still able to run 1.4 under. Now as someone suggested putting them into a different class would be the best thing NHRA could do. I still can't believe we have 8 second stockers that are faster than most super stock cars. And after looking at an intake at tear down in Indy. I think comp is where most of them belong.

As far as Wilkes running as fast as he did. It's their car!!! They spent the money and the time putting it together. Why should anyone else have a right to tell them how they should run it. If they ran the same combo as I do would I be happy. Hell NO!! But If I couldn't go as fast or faster then them instead of crying I'd go home and work on my own **** until I was faster. This isn't T-Ball. Barry

09-04-2014, 07:10 PM	#44
goinbroke2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NS CANADA Posts: 891 Likes: 1,621 Liked 392 Times in 153 Posts	Re: Horsepower Adjustments Wait a minute..some complain about 1000ft racing, others complain about balls to the wall all the time racing, nobody likes bracket racing.....holy crap guys make up your mind of what you want to bitch about! The guy ran it all out, good for him, his choice (well, the owners but you get what I mean) Takes a hit, fine, he sleeps in the bed he makes. I can respect the decision to protect your index, but I can also respect the guy who just wants to run it out.

09-04-2014, 07:17 PM	#45
69Cobra Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: California, Ky Posts: 669 Likes: 61 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Horsepower Adjustments Kudos to Mr. Wilkes! There are real Stockers that didn't qualify for this race and I don't think anybody is going to give any sympathy to a bogus combo getting a hit that still is no where near where it needs to be. Now somebody give Keith Lynch the keys to another one. __________________ Kris Rachford 69 Cobra 428CJ 4 Speed C/S 3032

09-04-2014, 09:27 PM	#49
james schaechter VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cumming GA Posts: 1,988 Likes: 1,289 Liked 1,428 Times in 296 Posts	Re: Horsepower Adjustments I think the New Cars are cool! Love the racers that run them too. We don't have one. That being said, it is not working when the owners of old cars and the owners of new cars are unhappy avout it. NHRA bears the responsibility here. They should be working on a plan that allows old and new to compete within the same zipcode at least. Everyone that has been arou d understands that the new combos, whatever they have been and will be are going to get a softball factor. If they didn't, no one would buy or build them. That wouldn't be good for the sport. The problem is that NHRA has allowed factors that are a 100hp or more off. AHFS is not designed to address that kind of variance. The highly compensated executives could make adjustments to tighten it up juat a touch. Indy was no mineshaft and yet, many racers were worried about going too fast. When you are at Indy, and you are worried about going too fast, the system needs work. In our case, we didn't qualify. Not crying here. If we had our stuff together, we could have. We just didn't get it done. Next year perhaps, even with more new cars. That will be our goal. I would rather struggle to qualify than shut off half track. I would enter the super classes if I wanted that. The point is that we need both new and old cars. It should be hard to compete against the new stuff, but not impossible. We need constructive and perhaps new ideas to help keep performance in play and enough parity to keep the many cars that exist in play. As far as getting HP. I get it. However, it is one thing to get hp because of mineshaft conditions like the Gators, but in the soup at Indy? Please stop the crying when you have another 80 hp to bank and still be competitive. And, if you aren't willing to pull out the stops to go for class at Indy, what the heck else would you save it for? Nobody cares how fast you go in testing. Call it ego or trying to measure up with others. Indy has always been a measuring stick for performance. I hope that doesn't change. Now, you might say I have no idea about what the new car owners feel like, but that would be incorrect. On the first qualifying pass, they had our car incorrectly listed in I Stick instead of E stick. Number 2 qualifier! 10.84 on a 12.20 index. Sound crazy, but if we could run the 327 in I at 229 hp, it would be a lot like some of the crazy factors that are popping up these days. . They fixed it of course, but a girl can dream right? __________________ James Schaechter 3163 STK Last edited by james schaechter; 09-04-2014 at 09:31 PM.

09-05-2014, 01:45 AM	#50
B Parker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 849 Likes: 980 Liked 2,336 Times in 464 Posts	Re: Horsepower Adjustments Jeff the problem with giving us older cars any hp reduction is the AHFS will catch up with that reduction and have us back to where we are now is a short time. With the new cars this year it's a 2013 next year the same car is a 2014 with a different hp combo still able to run 1.4 under. Now as someone suggested putting them into a different class would be the best thing NHRA could do. I still can't believe we have 8 second stockers that are faster than most super stock cars. And after looking at an intake at tear down in Indy. I think comp is where most of them belong. As far as Wilkes running as fast as he did. It's their car!!! They spent the money and the time putting it together. Why should anyone else have a right to tell them how they should run it. If they ran the same combo as I do would I be happy. Hell NO!! But If I couldn't go as fast or faster then them instead of crying I'd go home and work on my own **** until I was faster. This isn't T-Ball. Barry