Larry Morgan quitting Pro Stock - Page 4

JHeath · 10-01-2014, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by joespanova

Excuse me , but what exactly did they "contribute"........I believe "participate" would be the correct term...............with the exception of the occasional innovation , its generally ( with most ) always "participation".

Thanks for the correction. I will be more careful in the future !!

jnor · 10-01-2014, 07:32 PM

I think Larry is looking at P/M, but I don't see it being any "cheaper", or easier...Take Jegs for example, I'm sure money isn't an issue there, and it's a 5-6 place qualifier most of the time..

The appeal of P/M I think is the diversity, different engine combo's, body styles, etc.

I see they will have their own TV coverage beginning this Sunday...

P/S is dead IMO, for many reasons, one of which is the upside down bath tub, spaceship looking things, also S/S, and and stock eliminator cars put on a much better show with huge wheelies, and real cars, to most fans they look like they are going much faster than a P/S car...

No, or at best crappy TV coverage with terrible ratings, and a poor economy isn't helping with sponsor money or fans either.

Ed Carpenter · 10-01-2014, 08:09 PM

I like pro mods because you never know what gonna happen! Pro stock is very predictable.

Barnstorm · 10-01-2014, 09:01 PM

We need SS/PRO with factory cars/ factory wars and factory money.

Ed Wright · 10-01-2014, 09:03 PM

Yeah, Pro Stocks both make to the finish line, in a close race, way too often. Not enough wall banging and blowing up. :-)

Jared Jordan · 10-01-2014, 09:25 PM

Close racing is nice if you're at the finish line, in the car, or watching on TV. Otherwise, the fans can't tell how close it is and the average Joe Blow doesn't care anyway. They're at the track for the loud and the boom.

I do think, on a theoretical level anyway, that the Factory Stock class would hold much more appeal than the current PS cars do. The drag racing geek in me wants to see how fast the factory cars can be made to go...so long as they're not bastardized by rule changes.

Ed Carpenter · 10-01-2014, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Yeah, Pro Stocks both make to the finish line, in a close race, way too often. Not enough wall banging and blowing up. :-)

I didn't say anything about blowing up or crashing. I'm saying their is always an unknown because they make so much power. All I'm saying.

jmantle · 10-01-2014, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ALMACK

It would be kinda neat to see PS a EFI V-8 class based on current production engine families.

Aftermarket blocks ok, but must be based on a production vehicle V-8.

The cu.in. might be the limiting factor, but a GM LS 6.?L, a Ford Coyote 6.?L, and a Mopar 6.?L V-8 deal.

I'm sure it will never happen, but maybe 20 years from now NHRA might consider using EFI....someday.

I like it. Add bodies that look like the real thing, maybe add a couple of imports. No obsolete motors, all based on current production. Might have to adjust the minimum weights between brands so everyone is competitive (hopefully not).

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

Evan Smith · 10-01-2014, 10:30 PM

I'm a huge fan of Pro Stock, always have been. With that stated, I'll repeat what Bret Kepner said, and that is for any drag racing class to be exciting, it has to be unpredictable. And to the masses, which might not represent the S/SS community, cars that blow up, get sideways, and smoke the tires at half track are unpredictable and exciting. Is Pro Stock predictable? And I'm not talking about the outcome of a race. But the way the cars go down the track.

Second, since the cars don't generally blow up or shoot flames at night, they must have some form of appeal to the fans. In the case of Pro Stock, this SHOULD come from a connection to what people drive or are interested in driving. Sadly, the aeroteardrops racing today do not represent what the factories are selling, nor does any of the technology. Go to SEMA, you will not find very many Pro Stock parts on display. You will find a zillion bolt-on parts for modern and classic cars. Hot rodders and race fans are out there, but they want to relate to what they have.

The fact is, today's factory engines are capable of making 1,200-plus hp using factory blocks and heads so there is no reason, other than the cost, that NHRA shouldn't be making a move to factory stuff. As I see it, the writing is on the wall, and the cars already exist.

I'd love to see the COPO, Drag Pak and CJ Mustangs develop into a pro class. I believe it would have huge fan appeal, magazines would get behind it, and the manufacturers would jump in since it would most certainly sell cars. But it needs to be on TV to make it work.

Don Anderson · 10-01-2014, 10:32 PM

Take off AH !!!!!

Don Anderson
5891 M/S

10-01-2014, 07:32 PM	#32
jnor Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Newark,Ohio Posts: 23 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Larry Morgan quitting Pro Stock I think Larry is looking at P/M, but I don't see it being any "cheaper", or easier...Take Jegs for example, I'm sure money isn't an issue there, and it's a 5-6 place qualifier most of the time.. The appeal of P/M I think is the diversity, different engine combo's, body styles, etc. I see they will have their own TV coverage beginning this Sunday... P/S is dead IMO, for many reasons, one of which is the upside down bath tub, spaceship looking things, also S/S, and and stock eliminator cars put on a much better show with huge wheelies, and real cars, to most fans they look like they are going much faster than a P/S car... No, or at best crappy TV coverage with terrible ratings, and a poor economy isn't helping with sponsor money or fans either.

10-01-2014, 08:09 PM	#33
Ed Carpenter Live Reporter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dripping Springs, Tx Posts: 2,709 Likes: 186 Liked 520 Times in 132 Posts	Re: Larry Morgan quitting Pro Stock I like pro mods because you never know what gonna happen! Pro stock is very predictable. __________________ Ed Carpenter 2005 Chevy Cobalt A/SM Race Engine Development

10-01-2014, 09:01 PM	#34
Barnstorm Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Minnesota Posts: 186 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Larry Morgan quitting Pro Stock We need SS/PRO with factory cars/ factory wars and factory money.

10-01-2014, 09:03 PM	#35
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Larry Morgan quitting Pro Stock Yeah, Pro Stocks both make to the finish line, in a close race, way too often. Not enough wall banging and blowing up. :-) __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

10-01-2014, 09:25 PM	#36
Jared Jordan Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Modesto, CA Posts: 613 Likes: 200 Liked 537 Times in 119 Posts	Re: Larry Morgan quitting Pro Stock Close racing is nice if you're at the finish line, in the car, or watching on TV. Otherwise, the fans can't tell how close it is and the average Joe Blow doesn't care anyway. They're at the track for the loud and the boom. I do think, on a theoretical level anyway, that the Factory Stock class would hold much more appeal than the current PS cars do. The drag racing geek in me wants to see how fast the factory cars can be made to go...so long as they're not bastardized by rule changes. __________________ Jared Jordan 9 B/SA 2024 Jeg's D7 All Star - Stock

10-01-2014, 10:30 PM	#39
Evan Smith Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Tampa Posts: 400 Likes: 7 Liked 115 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Larry Morgan quitting Pro Stock I'm a huge fan of Pro Stock, always have been. With that stated, I'll repeat what Bret Kepner said, and that is for any drag racing class to be exciting, it has to be unpredictable. And to the masses, which might not represent the S/SS community, cars that blow up, get sideways, and smoke the tires at half track are unpredictable and exciting. Is Pro Stock predictable? And I'm not talking about the outcome of a race. But the way the cars go down the track. Second, since the cars don't generally blow up or shoot flames at night, they must have some form of appeal to the fans. In the case of Pro Stock, this SHOULD come from a connection to what people drive or are interested in driving. Sadly, the aeroteardrops racing today do not represent what the factories are selling, nor does any of the technology. Go to SEMA, you will not find very many Pro Stock parts on display. You will find a zillion bolt-on parts for modern and classic cars. Hot rodders and race fans are out there, but they want to relate to what they have. The fact is, today's factory engines are capable of making 1,200-plus hp using factory blocks and heads so there is no reason, other than the cost, that NHRA shouldn't be making a move to factory stuff. As I see it, the writing is on the wall, and the cars already exist. I'd love to see the COPO, Drag Pak and CJ Mustangs develop into a pro class. I believe it would have huge fan appeal, magazines would get behind it, and the manufacturers would jump in since it would most certainly sell cars. But it needs to be on TV to make it work. __________________ Evan Smith 1798 STK

10-01-2014, 10:32 PM	#40
Don Anderson Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Duluth, Mn. Posts: 155 Likes: 2,798 Liked 24 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Larry Morgan quitting Pro Stock Take off AH !!!!! Don Anderson 5891 M/S Last edited by Don Anderson; 10-09-2014 at 10:38 PM.