FS cars exempt from HP?

Karl Owens · 10-07-2014, 07:24 AM

The 69 COPO didn't have a roll cage, spool and axles, racing wheels and tires, racing transmission, ready to race engine etc etc

Ken Miele · 10-07-2014, 12:47 PM

Not sure how many young people could afford 7200 for a new car 69 and than add the rest of the race equipment.

Karl, a 55 chevy didn't have a 4 speed, a modern engine, carburetor, suspension, and so on...

Granted the new cars have a lot more, but if there was an internet back in 69, there would have been just as many complaints.

Like or not these cars are here to stay. Hopefully the changes next year will make most happy. I suspect that it will make most happy, but there will always be few saying its not enough.

We may not all agree, but I do think its good to here how everyone feels. Being on both sides of the fence, I think the new cars are the best thing that ever happened to stock and super stock. There is more ink and factory support then there has be since the 60's

Dwight Southerland · 10-07-2014, 01:06 PM

As a point of interest, the 1969 Chev 350-255 was the first engine to get an other-than-OEM hp factor, and that happened in 1970. A lot of that move was due to racer complaints, although Farmer was in charge at that time and executed through his authority an attempt to level the playing field, so to speak. New technology always throws additional factors to contend with into the mix. NHRA will respond in some addtional ways to deal the new cars; it will be interesting to see what they do. Everybody has a dog in this hunt.

The new cars bring excitement and more general interest into the sport and that is good. I hate that it is so-o-o-o-o expensive to proliferate the excitement.

Rich67stang · 10-07-2014, 01:10 PM

5 Pages of comments, and nobody addresses the simple problem. If FS qualify on the same sheet as ANY other class it MUST follow ALL of the same rules!!!!!! otherwise there is NO need to be on the sheet. You can twist the facts anyway that helps you justify breaking the rules.

Mickey Whaley · 10-07-2014, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich67stang

5 Pages of comments, and nobody addresses the simple problem. If FS qualify on the same sheet as ANY other class it MUST follow ALL of the same rules!!!!!! otherwise there is NO need to be on the sheet. You can twist the facts anyway that helps you justify breaking the rules.

That is the point!

Kegracing · 10-07-2014, 02:56 PM

Rich,
Maybe I was not clear enough. Below is quoted from my earlier post...

"BUT, I do not agree with letting the FS cars qualify on the ladder with NO worry of HP. Because of the bye runs, this is unfair, and no way to defend it... math here, not just heart strings!"

I will agree again. And use math again... as long as they can play this game to qualify without fear of HP, why would you not try for #1, or where ever looks best for the bye run opportunities?

This is not about the cost of new cars, etc. Not about technology, being jealous, etc. Not even about heads up runs... Once the shoe polish goes on the window, it is just a race.

They are just being given an unfair advantage. This is just ANOTHER instance of NHRA hurting the future of the sport. It feels like they continue to try to drive the average working man out of the sport???

Ken
Stock 412

Ed Wright · 10-07-2014, 03:07 PM

With all the hoopla about all the excitement over the new cars (usually coming from guys running them), did anybody notice the stands at Indy when they ran? LOL

10-07-2014, 12:47 PM	#2
Ken Miele Live Reporter Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,862 Likes: 461 Liked 16,563 Times in 1,523 Posts	Re: FS cars exempt from HP? Not sure how many young people could afford 7200 for a new car 69 and than add the rest of the race equipment. Karl, a 55 chevy didn't have a 4 speed, a modern engine, carburetor, suspension, and so on... Granted the new cars have a lot more, but if there was an internet back in 69, there would have been just as many complaints. Like or not these cars are here to stay. Hopefully the changes next year will make most happy. I suspect that it will make most happy, but there will always be few saying its not enough. We may not all agree, but I do think its good to here how everyone feels. Being on both sides of the fence, I think the new cars are the best thing that ever happened to stock and super stock. There is more ink and factory support then there has be since the 60's

10-07-2014, 01:06 PM	#3
Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 2,001 Likes: 64 Liked 780 Times in 194 Posts	Re: FS cars exempt from HP? As a point of interest, the 1969 Chev 350-255 was the first engine to get an other-than-OEM hp factor, and that happened in 1970. A lot of that move was due to racer complaints, although Farmer was in charge at that time and executed through his authority an attempt to level the playing field, so to speak. New technology always throws additional factors to contend with into the mix. NHRA will respond in some addtional ways to deal the new cars; it will be interesting to see what they do. Everybody has a dog in this hunt. The new cars bring excitement and more general interest into the sport and that is good. I hate that it is so-o-o-o-o expensive to proliferate the excitement.

10-07-2014, 01:10 PM	#4
Rich67stang Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Jackson, NJ Posts: 313 Likes: 3 Liked 116 Times in 27 Posts	Re: FS cars exempt from HP? 5 Pages of comments, and nobody addresses the simple problem. If FS qualify on the same sheet as ANY other class it MUST follow ALL of the same rules!!!!!! otherwise there is NO need to be on the sheet. You can twist the facts anyway that helps you justify breaking the rules. __________________ Richard Preiser 1613 FGT/I 1510 C/SA 161 F/DA

10-07-2014, 02:56 PM	#6
Kegracing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Red Oak, TX Posts: 441 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: FS cars exempt from HP? Rich, Maybe I was not clear enough. Below is quoted from my earlier post... "BUT, I do not agree with letting the FS cars qualify on the ladder with NO worry of HP. Because of the bye runs, this is unfair, and no way to defend it... math here, not just heart strings!" I will agree again. And use math again... as long as they can play this game to qualify without fear of HP, why would you not try for #1, or where ever looks best for the bye run opportunities? This is not about the cost of new cars, etc. Not about technology, being jealous, etc. Not even about heads up runs... Once the shoe polish goes on the window, it is just a race. They are just being given an unfair advantage. This is just ANOTHER instance of NHRA hurting the future of the sport. It feels like they continue to try to drive the average working man out of the sport??? Ken Stock 412

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Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: FS cars exempt from HP? With all the hoopla about all the excitement over the new cars (usually coming from guys running them), did anybody notice the stands at Indy when they ran? LOL __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

10-07-2014, 07:24 AM	#1
Karl Owens Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 69 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: FS cars exempt from HP? The 69 COPO didn't have a roll cage, spool and axles, racing wheels and tires, racing transmission, ready to race engine etc etc __________________ NHRA Stock/Super Stock 1078