FS cars exempt from HP?

[Randall Klein]

1969 making about $1.60/hour I bought my first new car, "69 Nova 396/375 for $3250; the dealership had 6 427 COPO's at ____price (can't remember), but they had 1 ZL-1 that was about $7200....the ZL-1 was a $4000 option

Surely the 427 steel COPO's were around $4000

No roll bars then, Lakewood slapper bars, Hurst shifter, Scheiffer clutch, Hooker headers, Firestone 7" slicks and raced like crazy while going thru college at Cornhusker, Kearnry and Flightland

Kind of different from $90K entry fee plus another $what

Hey, I like 'em too, but a damn shame racer's heart and soul cut out in those classes with the older cars that are rendered non-competitive and de-valued and parked

[Mickey Whaley]

Originally Posted by Randall Klein

1969 making about $1.60/hour I bought my first new car, "69 Nova 396/375 for $3250; the dealership had 6 427 COPO's at ____price (can't remember), but they had 1 ZL-1 that was about $7200....the ZL-1 was a $4000 option

Surely the 427 steel COPO's were around $4000

No roll bars then, Lakewood slapper bars, Hurst shifter, Scheiffer clutch, Hooker headers, Firestone 7" slicks and raced like crazy while going thru college at Cornhusker, Kearnry and Flightland

Kind of different from $90K entry fee plus another $what

Hey, I like 'em too, but a damn shame racer's heart and soul cut out in those classes with the older cars that are rendered non-competitive and de-valued and parked

Well said

[Michael Beard]

if there was an internet back in 69, there would have been just as many complaints.

Were those complaints justified? Just because people complain about something doesn't mean it's automagically wrong, OR unfounded. We saw it with the fuel injected cars, and it took their own separate classes and 10 years to factor them some semblance of properly. It would stand to reason that if mistakes were made in the past that we would try to not repeat them.

Throughout the myriad of threads regarding the new factory cars, the overwhelming complaint is not with the cars, the car owners, or even the factories. Ultimately, the primary issues revolve around HP factors.

NHRA has set the precedent with its baseline factored HP of the factory cars, so it is unlikely they will change. Also based on precedent, it is reasonable that they would create separate FX classes to allow them factor themselves without bludgeoning traditional Stockers heads-up in the meantime. While it doesn't address qualifying (bye runs), it's a start.

if they were to give this new class hp, it would take to long to see what the car potential is.

Presumably, potential remains in these combinations, particularly since they are so new. It would stand to reason then that their HP factors (S/SS) should be higher and/or the Factory Stock indexes lowered. Each would allow the cars to "stretch their legs" without fear of factoring. A quick glance at Indy and Reading qualifying indicates that the Factory Stock indexes are a MINIMUM of .30 soft. Moving their indexes several tenths would STILL have them dominating qualifying.

Yes, the new cars are cool. VERY cool. VERY impressive. Factory Stock is even cooler. I'd like to have a race for them. As I've stated before, no has asked that they be factored unrealistically high and rendered uncompetitive, but neither should they be factored unrealistically low. There exists a great deal of space inbetween that could be palatable to ALL parties. Enjoying and appreciating the factory cars is not mutually exclusive with realistic administration.

Standard disclaimer: I run a 'factory' engine in SS/GT. Despite better specs all the way around, it is rated 50 HP *less* than my Crate Motor was. My wife told me to build this engine!

$.02,

[treekiller]

Shoe polish people. Nobody has to sell or park anything. Such a simple fix but everybody including the guys who are getting their a$$e$ kicked don't wanna change it. Get out of the 70s

[HR9121]

Originally Posted by treekiller

Shoe polish people. Nobody has to sell or park anything. Such a simple fix but everybody including the guys who are getting their a$$e$ kicked don't wanna change it. Get out of the 70s

This has nothing to do with what we are talking about, its the fact that these cars can run -1.50 something qualify #1 and there is no repercussions come Monday. If I do the same thing with I/SA car I have to face the music so to speak.

[Mickey Whaley]

Originally Posted by treekiller

Shoe polish people. Nobody has to sell or park anything. Such a simple fix but everybody including the guys who are getting their a$$e$ kicked don't wanna change it. Get out of the 70s

Please tell me the simple fix? Just asking?

[treekiller]

the simple fix I was referring to was for guys with older cars running newer cars that didn't have a chance taking out heads up runs in in eliminations would give everybody a chance. As for the new cars qualify number one without losing horsepower that will never get changed

[treekiller]

why would people spend 150 thousand on a car that is factored just like everyone else's? then you will lose interest from the big 3 manufacturers when nobody is buying any more of those cars

[HR9121]

No the simple fix is to keep the rules the same for everyone that is the same class, eliminator,etc. I understand they are trying to develop a following for these cars and thats fine, let them have the factory shootouts but dont qualify them on the same sheet with everyone else with seperate rules!

[Mickey Whaley]

Originally Posted by HR9121

No the simple fix is to keep the rules the same for everyone that is the same class, eliminator,etc. I understand they are trying to develop a following for these cars and thats fine, let them have the factory shootouts but dont qualify them on the same sheet with everyone else with seperate rules!

That's right cooter