2015 Rules

Jeff Teuton · 10-30-2014, 08:50 PM

Regulating 5% of the population with sweeping changes sounds like Washington DC. I mean c'mon, even the whiners were not complaining in SS. Almost all the old cars/new motors are Mopars. There are about 5 68 Cuda/Dart that have found new life from the unregulated SS/AH. Throw in my 70 Duster(which has never won class), Nowicki, and a couple of others and this was an Anti Mopar rule. The numbers don't lie. The sole purpose of the 360 in the DPs in 2009 was to give Mopar racers somewhat access to new parts and lower the cost of SS for the SB Mopar. So much for that. I don't think it was broken, but I am not a smart man.

Ed Wright · 10-30-2014, 08:59 PM

Kidding, right Jeff?

Alan Roehrich · 10-30-2014, 09:02 PM

Thank you NHRA, it looks like we should be back for 2015.

69Cobra · 10-30-2014, 09:04 PM

So does this mean that the FS cars will be regulated by the AHFS?

Jeff Teuton · 10-30-2014, 09:14 PM

Kidding about what?

Ed Wright · 10-30-2014, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

Kidding about what?

Picking on the MOPAR guys. Ford & GM both have new engines out for lower classes. Just not a lot running yet.

Jeff Teuton · 10-30-2014, 09:44 PM

Ed, just saying, sweeping regulations for 5% of the cars and making all those new classes make no sense. Need a little more purpose than that. It just so happens that almost all the cars affected are Mopars. And having all the new classes combine Stick and Auto and not the regular classes is not real equitable. However I assume the HP factors will remain the same in both Stock and Super Stock. I'm just not sure having two identical cars except for the transmission at different weights is parity. On that note, I really have respect for the 3 pedal guys. That thing is a real chore. I didn't know SS was broken.

71mavlouisville · 10-30-2014, 09:46 PM

Personally think the rule change in CS sucks.

Best runs ever (as far as I know off the top of my head, correct if wrong)

9.26 - Mans - Chevy
9.27 - Perno - Ford
9.28 - Bogner - Mopar

Will there be a list of accepted heads?

Same thing happened in A/ND, one brand (chevy) with a 14 degree head can go to 300 CC and flow more than 400 cfm.

This made Ford and Mopar obsolete in the class, WTF, had great parity and now only Chevy!

If anyone knows a Ford or Mopar head that can compete with this, I am in the Market.

http://www.racingjunk.com/Heads/1851...-400-CFM-.html

Ed Wright · 10-30-2014, 10:05 PM

Jeff, if you had a seriously thrashed car that suddenly could not run within a couple of tenths heads up against a new car that just got put together, you would think it was broken. I'm sure, from your view, everything was fine. :-)
Lloyd told me how fast his 360" DP could go in SS/IA, not hard to calculate what it could go if dropped down in SS/JA, and I would have to spot him 40 lbs. Just about everybody I know feels like the 360" is the absolute softest deal out there. I saw the specs on the new 5.0L CJ also. Looks even worse. Or, better. Depends on if you own one. LOL
If they were just rated kinds close to begin with.....
Probably a lot cheaper for me if they had left things alone. Guess I'll go one more year.

Jeff Teuton · 10-30-2014, 10:19 PM

GT was specifically created for new cars with old motors including the jelly bean fwd conversions. After a few years and many requests, NHRA allowed the old cars with not matching motors in. I was asked to write a letter just because they needed a letter from someone, anyone. But what better car than a SS/AH that has just been priced out of the market to find new life in GT. They are pretty good, but no better than other combos. Time will tell, but it's still just 5% of the cars.

10-30-2014, 08:50 PM	#1
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: 2015 Rules Regulating 5% of the population with sweeping changes sounds like Washington DC. I mean c'mon, even the whiners were not complaining in SS. Almost all the old cars/new motors are Mopars. There are about 5 68 Cuda/Dart that have found new life from the unregulated SS/AH. Throw in my 70 Duster(which has never won class), Nowicki, and a couple of others and this was an Anti Mopar rule. The numbers don't lie. The sole purpose of the 360 in the DPs in 2009 was to give Mopar racers somewhat access to new parts and lower the cost of SS for the SB Mopar. So much for that. I don't think it was broken, but I am not a smart man. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

10-30-2014, 08:59 PM	#2
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: 2015 Rules Kidding, right Jeff? __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

10-30-2014, 09:02 PM	#3
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,116 Likes: 1,573 Liked 1,830 Times in 415 Posts	Re: 2015 Rules Thank you NHRA, it looks like we should be back for 2015. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

10-30-2014, 09:04 PM	#4
69Cobra Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: California, Ky Posts: 669 Likes: 61 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: 2015 Rules So does this mean that the FS cars will be regulated by the AHFS? __________________ Kris Rachford 69 Cobra 428CJ 4 Speed C/S 3032

10-30-2014, 09:14 PM	#5
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: 2015 Rules Kidding about what? __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

10-30-2014, 09:44 PM	#7
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: 2015 Rules Ed, just saying, sweeping regulations for 5% of the cars and making all those new classes make no sense. Need a little more purpose than that. It just so happens that almost all the cars affected are Mopars. And having all the new classes combine Stick and Auto and not the regular classes is not real equitable. However I assume the HP factors will remain the same in both Stock and Super Stock. I'm just not sure having two identical cars except for the transmission at different weights is parity. On that note, I really have respect for the 3 pedal guys. That thing is a real chore. I didn't know SS was broken. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

10-30-2014, 09:46 PM	#8
71mavlouisville Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 68 Likes: 0 Liked 28 Times in 1 Post	Re: 2015 Rules Personally think the rule change in CS sucks. Best runs ever (as far as I know off the top of my head, correct if wrong) 9.26 - Mans - Chevy 9.27 - Perno - Ford 9.28 - Bogner - Mopar Will there be a list of accepted heads? Same thing happened in A/ND, one brand (chevy) with a 14 degree head can go to 300 CC and flow more than 400 cfm. This made Ford and Mopar obsolete in the class, WTF, had great parity and now only Chevy! If anyone knows a Ford or Mopar head that can compete with this, I am in the Market. http://www.racingjunk.com/Heads/1851...-400-CFM-.html __________________ Ashton Hudson SS/CS 4373

10-30-2014, 10:05 PM	#9
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: 2015 Rules Jeff, if you had a seriously thrashed car that suddenly could not run within a couple of tenths heads up against a new car that just got put together, you would think it was broken. I'm sure, from your view, everything was fine. :-) Lloyd told me how fast his 360" DP could go in SS/IA, not hard to calculate what it could go if dropped down in SS/JA, and I would have to spot him 40 lbs. Just about everybody I know feels like the 360" is the absolute softest deal out there. I saw the specs on the new 5.0L CJ also. Looks even worse. Or, better. Depends on if you own one. LOL If they were just rated kinds close to begin with..... Probably a lot cheaper for me if they had left things alone. Guess I'll go one more year. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA Last edited by Ed Wright; 10-30-2014 at 10:08 PM.

10-30-2014, 10:19 PM	#10
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: 2015 Rules GT was specifically created for new cars with old motors including the jelly bean fwd conversions. After a few years and many requests, NHRA allowed the old cars with not matching motors in. I was asked to write a letter just because they needed a letter from someone, anyone. But what better car than a SS/AH that has just been priced out of the market to find new life in GT. They are pretty good, but no better than other combos. Time will tell, but it's still just 5% of the cars. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK