HP Changes Posted, AFHS Changes for 2015

[Bobby Fazio]

Originally Posted by Nick Heath

http://www.nhraracer.com/default.asp

AHFS Changes:

Hmm, if these don't go in effect until Jan 1, 2015 then my math says I should have gotten 3hp back this last review.

[Bryan Worner]

This Mineshaft rule will almost never come into play in Super Stock! Look at all of the races in "good air" last year, where has the top of the bottom half been .850 under? I saw Indy was "mineshaft" but that's about it.

My suggestion was, "if it's mineshaft for Comp, it's mineshaft for all categories!" Others had that opinion also, but I guess the powers that be thought that would be too simple.

[Marty Buth]

Does this mean that the Indy U.S. Nationals will be considered "mine shaft" conditions? It took more than .850 under the index to make the 128 car field.

[Nitro Joe Jackson]

just glad I don't have to keep track of who is getting hp'ed anymore way to confusing.

[Mike Carr]

Marty, I would say yes. Only the 1-.200 (excluding FSS) penalty is in effect there, the way I read it.

Bryan, I would agree. Mineshaft for Comp = mineshaft for everyone. But Comp uses -.61 under for the first car in the bottom half (11 in a 20 car field,. 17 in a 32 car field, etc). I'm not sure what number would be fair to use. -.61 would make a lot of races 'mineshaft'. -.85, like you said, only Indy might make that cut and 1-2 others. It took -.882 to MAKE the show at Indy in Stock. Not sure what a fair number would be; maybe -.75. Just some more fun stuff to debate before Pomona.

[Mark Yacavone]

No HP hits at Indy..means no HP hits for factory cars.
Got it ? Good

[LDFJR]

I got it Mark!

[Bryan Worner]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Marty, I would say yes. Only the 1-.200 (excluding FSS) penalty is in effect there, the way I read it.

Bryan, I would agree. Mineshaft for Comp = mineshaft for everyone. But Comp uses -.61 under for the first car in the bottom half (11 in a 20 car field,. 17 in a 32 car field, etc). I'm not sure what number would be fair to use. -.61 would make a lot of races 'mineshaft'. -.85, like you said, only Indy might make that cut and 1-2 others. It took -.882 to MAKE the show at Indy in Stock. Not sure what a fair number would be; maybe -.75. Just some more fun stuff to debate before Pomona.

What I meant was if the "Mineshaft" conditions are met for Comp at a race, then Stock and Super Stock should be considered mineshaft also. So if that Comp number is -.61, then regardless of what the bottom of the top half runs in Stock and SS, they are still mineshaft. But there would still have to be a minimum number for Stock and SS for when Comp is not contested. I looked at races like the 4 Wides, where there were definitely mineshaft conditions, yet the -.85 number was not hit.

[countrypuppy4865]

Byron, I know super stock is going to be tough. Hopefully they will make a change. This is a step in the right direction. The way I like at it, races like the sports nationals in Belle Rose and some nationals with class will benefit. Last year the split for stock at Belle Rose was - .817. I think some people that may have not wanted to try for class to avoid triggers may turn it up and it may raise the numbers a bit to make more races "mineshaft."