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[Dick Butler]

Originally Posted by Rick Leininger Jr.

So you have an issue with a combination in a class you have not participated in for 16 years?

Yes, Even better I have a beef about the HP factoring in general...Doesn't that explain all the New Car/Old Car discussion? I am only pointing out the issue isn't new. It is a basic flaw in classification of Motors. Some get overlooked because it only hits a small group and the new cars create a big issue because the same methods affect a larger group of racers. Is factoring only important if it is your class? I know it is not. It is a more broad issue and needs help throughout the classes and tech books.... Even better I feel my experience in racing 35 years can be helpful to the discussions even today..Thats why I support the return of Modified. Classes based on cubic inchs which cannot be factored or ignored . First man there with the same motor is the winner in my book. Do away with the factoring Crutch needed by some to be interested or competitive.

Rick Good Discussion. Merry Christmas.

[Rick Leininger Jr.]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Yes, Even better I have a beef about the HP factoring in general...Doesn't that explain all the New Car/Old Car discussion? I am only pointing out the issue isn't new. It is a basic flaw in classification of Motors. Some get overlooked because it only hits a small group and the new cars create a big issue because the same methods affect a larger group of racers. Is factoring only important if it is your class? I know it is not. It is a more broad issue and needs help throughout the classes and tech books.... Even better I feel my experience in racing 35 years can be helpful to the discussions even today..Thats why I support the return of Modified. Classes based on cubic inchs which cannot be factored or ignored . First man there with the same motor is the winner in my book. Do away with the factoring Crutch needed by some to be interested or competitive.

Rick Good Discussion. Merry Christmas.

I think this thread was started to discuss GT/AA and who is quick, not HP factors, new car vs. old car, or a new modified class.

If you want to start a new thread on only HP factoring that stays on point, I'll jump right in. Also needs to be a technical based discussion with reasons why particular combinations are under or over factored.

Merry Christmas

[Dick Butler]

Very good point. Afraid you and I got afield in the discussion but the topic was " who is fastest?"

[topspeed632]

GT/AA 8.87 149.38 04/28/13 Jeffrey Lawrence - Quogue, NY
'88 Ford Atco, NJ

[SSGT Mustang]

Originally Posted by topspeed632

GT/AA 8.87 149.38 04/28/13 Jeffrey Lawrence - Quogue, NY
'88 Ford Atco, NJ

Jeff has done a lot more with a lot less than many others. He still uses a production block and heads, cast intake and an old carburetor on an engine that sits in front of a basic C4 transmission. And he's been fast for a long time in an older, boxy car that he may have built himself.

Imagine what he could do in a new, smaller car with all the bells and whistles.

What he has managed to achieve with his combination is impressive to say the least.

[topspeed632]

that fast with a old 780 vac sec. holley carb ....old school at it best

[countrypuppy4865]

Not sure how long Jeff has had the car, but I can remember it growing up, and it was always fast. I do almost all work on our cars, and there is a sense of pride in completing and succeeding with a car built with your own hands.