National Records

oldskool · 01-08-2015, 12:18 AM

Those 1986 records are interesting. The SS/KA is a 10.80. In 1977 the guys at H-O Racing Specialties set that class record at 11.31, in a '74 SD455 TA. So it took 9 years to lower the record 1/2 sec. We saw the H-O car run at the '78 Cajun Nationals. They were a long way from home.

Dan Fahey · 01-08-2015, 01:13 AM

What rule changes created the vast improvement?
Todays Stockers are running the old SS numbers.
D

oldskool · 01-08-2015, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

What rule changes created the vast improvement?
Todays Stockers are running the old SS numbers.
D

I'll take a shot at that one. We ran a '68 Firebird in E/SA back in '75. We had to run factory cast pistons and rods. That limited the rpm. Now they can run forged H-beam rods and Ross pistons.

We had to run the stock type fan that came on that engine. Today I think they can run an electric driven water pump and elec fan.

We ran a much smaller Lunati "Stocker" cam and a 3000 stall Vitar converter. Today, the cam duration they can run is ridiculous. So, with a wild cam, high spring pressures, and a 4000 + 8" converter, they can get a great launch and wind it high.

Then there are the super head shops today who can work their magic, and get much more power from a set of iron heads than was possible in the '70's, and somehow do it where they will pass tech.

They can now run tight clearances and get by with running the super thin oil and low pressure, along with a crank scraper and modified pan. The ring technology is also better today.

We had to run a TH400 like came behind the 400 engine. Today they can run a trick TH350 with light insides and a 2.75 1st gear. OR even a super light TH200 with a lower 1st gear.

And someone said the 9" slicks of today are much better than those from the 70's. So the better tires, together with the Cal-Trac bars and springs, give 'em all the hook they need to leave hard and get lots of air.

So, all these things add up to a 2 sec quicker ET than was possible 40 years ago. And since there were several E/SA '68 Birds running quick last season, they got an 8 HP hit.

I think that's the 1st one ever. I know it was 330hp back in '75.

This 1 sec + under, #2 qualifier may have influenced the hit. Who knows ? Hey, they may look at all the top qualifiers at the bigger races, especially if they are over a sec under.

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2014#indextop

Hey, I just can't help it ya'll. I love them '68 Birds !

Gary Parker · 01-08-2015, 09:02 AM

When I set the H/SA record a few years ago, they torn us down during time trials
and just before first round. I had plenty of help or would have not made first round. Everyone knew I wanted to race so they let me get my stuff checked first. If not, I would never made first round. Don't know if its still done that way, but I was there to race along with setting the record.......

GEORGE PETERSON · 01-09-2015, 05:52 PM

Can anyone name another sport where performance records expire?
Babe Ruth still holds records he set in 1921.

George Peterson
D/S 4448

Kevin Panzino · 01-09-2015, 07:06 PM

George, I personally think it is a very good thing that records expire in the case of class racing. Because when a unfairly factored combination sets a record it could stick for a very very long time, which would be entirely disheartening for people who run legitimate, reasonably and fairly factored combinations..
So let the record expire after a reasonable period of time. In the meantime, hopefully the bogus unfairly factored combination has been properly re-factored. If the person wants to set it the record again, they are of course free to do so.
Or, as is the case recently where a very unfairly factored combination just doesn't get hit, or 'wont' get hit for 'certain' reasons, it gets moved into its own separate classes where it can have fun with other similarly grossly underfactored engines and allow the rest of us with reasonably factored combinations to have a chance.

Ernie Neal · 01-09-2015, 07:29 PM

I don't know about that one Kevin, especially if your the one resetting the record every 2 years. I think mine expires this year again, so tear down again. Now if say that record had been set at real good conditions I could sympathize with you. Like has been said on here before, it would be nice if record setting was rewarded. Since they aren't, let them stand till they are broken. I did think the last one was special, as my son and I set records at the same event. That doesn't happen everyday.

Ernie Neal
SS 354

01-08-2015, 12:18 AM	#1
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: National Records Those 1986 records are interesting. The SS/KA is a 10.80. In 1977 the guys at H-O Racing Specialties set that class record at 11.31, in a '74 SD455 TA. So it took 9 years to lower the record 1/2 sec. We saw the H-O car run at the '78 Cajun Nationals. They were a long way from home. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 01-08-2015 at 12:34 AM.

01-08-2015, 09:02 AM	#4
Gary Parker Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Westfield Mass Posts: 529 Likes: 369 Liked 425 Times in 56 Posts	Re: National Records When I set the H/SA record a few years ago, they torn us down during time trials and just before first round. I had plenty of help or would have not made first round. Everyone knew I wanted to race so they let me get my stuff checked first. If not, I would never made first round. Don't know if its still done that way, but I was there to race along with setting the record....... __________________ Gary Parker 1617 STK

01-09-2015, 05:52 PM	#5
GEORGE PETERSON Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 43 Likes: 31 Liked 11 Times in 6 Posts	Re: National Records Can anyone name another sport where performance records expire? Babe Ruth still holds records he set in 1921. George Peterson D/S 4448

01-09-2015, 07:06 PM	#6
Kevin Panzino Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 581 Likes: 301 Liked 759 Times in 139 Posts	Re: National Records George, I personally think it is a very good thing that records expire in the case of class racing. Because when a unfairly factored combination sets a record it could stick for a very very long time, which would be entirely disheartening for people who run legitimate, reasonably and fairly factored combinations.. So let the record expire after a reasonable period of time. In the meantime, hopefully the bogus unfairly factored combination has been properly re-factored. If the person wants to set it the record again, they are of course free to do so. Or, as is the case recently where a very unfairly factored combination just doesn't get hit, or 'wont' get hit for 'certain' reasons, it gets moved into its own separate classes where it can have fun with other similarly grossly underfactored engines and allow the rest of us with reasonably factored combinations to have a chance.

01-09-2015, 07:29 PM	#7
Ernie Neal Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Columbus, Indiana Posts: 533 Likes: 173 Liked 328 Times in 80 Posts	Re: National Records I don't know about that one Kevin, especially if your the one resetting the record every 2 years. I think mine expires this year again, so tear down again. Now if say that record had been set at real good conditions I could sympathize with you. Like has been said on here before, it would be nice if record setting was rewarded. Since they aren't, let them stand till they are broken. I did think the last one was special, as my son and I set records at the same event. That doesn't happen everyday. Ernie Neal SS 354

01-08-2015, 01:13 AM	#2
Dan Fahey VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,128 Likes: 1,084 Liked 184 Times in 113 Posts	Re: National Records What rule changes created the vast improvement? Todays Stockers are running the old SS numbers. D