TS and TD National Championship 2015

[Mike Schwartz]

Lets put things in perspective. In the overall scheme of things, Stockers and Super Stockers are the ones that can more easily be lumped in with the "just bracket racers' of the sport. On the other hand, a large portion of TD & TS cars are both more powerful and faster than Pro Stocks and 80% of Comp Cars. So what if they run off dial-ins? I don't hear anyone calling for taking tow vehicles away from A/EAs or G/EDs.

[buzzinhalfdozen]

Originally Posted by Mike Schwartz

Lets put things in perspective. In the overall scheme of things, Stockers and Super Stockers are the ones that can more easily be lumped in with the "just bracket racers' of the sport. On the other hand, a large portion of TD & TS cars are both more powerful and faster than Pro Stocks and 80% of Comp Cars. So what if they run off dial-ins? I don't hear anyone calling for taking tow vehicles away from A/EAs or G/EDs.

Mike, pardon me but your post is not at all accurate. Yes there is "bracket racing in both Stock Supr Stock and Comp, however there are also heads up runs. I've yet to see a headsup run in eitherTD or TS. Now how would these folks handle it if they went to heads up runs in their classes...the answer is simple you'd have 4-6 cars in the low 6 second zone show up for the race...end of TS and TD. Though I can apreciate the skills and effort involved in fielding one of these cars, they aren't even in the same zip code as a Stocker, S/S or most comp cars.

[mike wharram]

Originally Posted by buzzinhalfdozen

Mike, pardon me but your post is not at all accurate. Yes there is "bracket racing in both Stock Supr Stock and Comp, however there are also heads up runs. I've yet to see a headsup run in eitherTD or TS. Now how would these folks handle it if they went to heads up runs in their classes...the answer is simple you'd have 4-6 cars in the low 6 second zone show up for the race...end of TS and TD. Though I can apreciate the skills and effort involved in fielding one of these cars, they aren't even in the same zip code as a Stocker, S/S or most comp cars.

Well having run both comp and a TD I would say they are in the same zip code for sure ! Granted our TD is a low six second car but it takes the same $ and time our BED took

[Mike Schwartz]

Originally Posted by buzzinhalfdozen

Mike, pardon me but your post is not at all accurate. Yes there is "bracket racing in both Stock Supr Stock and Comp, however there are also heads up runs. I've yet to see a headsup run in eitherTD or TS. Now how would these folks handle it if they went to heads up runs in their classes...the answer is simple you'd have 4-6 cars in the low 6 second zone show up for the race...end of TS and TD. Though I can apreciate the skills and effort involved in fielding one of these cars, they aren't even in the same zip code as a Stocker, S/S or most comp cars.

It might not be related to the discussion, but PDRA ran 'Quick 4' races for TD & TS last year. Those cars ran a separate race at the end of qualifying, and the next day they went back to running off dial-ins. Sort of like the way class eliminations work.

In all forms of "class-less (ie. not Comp/SS/Stk)" handicap racing, if two cars with the same dial-in meet, they don't throw away the breakout and allow them to run all-out. They still have to adhere to the handicap.

Only in SS & Stock do you lose the opportunity to use a handicap if you have the bad fortune to meet a car in the same class. (Or good fortune if you have a quicker car) That makes a different form of racing, but it's a matter of personal opinion if its 'better'

[tim worner]

Does this mean the rest of the sportsmen classes move further down the food chain?

[Jeff Teuton]

Tim, I really wonder just what NHRA is up to with a long term plan with Stock and Super Stock. I think we all knew TD and TS were coming. They evolved from the Super 9.90 and 8.90 classes. Easy to administer and a good show. Cheaper than a good AH car and will evolve to be cheaper than a new FS shoot out car. And I think you are right on the food chain.

[Ed Wright]

Jeff is right. We are too much trouble. Not much to tech with those things. Don't know about the show. Look up in the stands. Nobody watching.

[Mike Schwartz]

Originally Posted by tim worner

Does this mean the rest of the sportsmen classes move further down the food chain?

Not all. TD & TS should be above SC,SG & SST.