If you could run a National event without the AHFS in place-

[Joseph Teuton]

The agenda here is for all the cars that use to dominate their classes are now getting there butts whipped and its not fun. They cant sandbag no more and that aint fair. I am pretty sure most of the guys that have these new cars once raced an older car and most likely got their butts handed to them a couple times to many. So they went out and build combinations that were in the NHRA Rulebook, that's a big key, and started returning the butt whippings. All new cars are in the rule book according to NHRA so instead of beating this forum beat NHRA with emails.

[ALMACK]

Back on the original thread topic.

I just sent a respectful request to my division tech director asking NHRA to consider running a national event without the AHFS in effect.

I am not sure of the chain of command, but I believe it should start at the division level first. Then maybe the div. director can submit the idea to Glendora.

I believe If enough people sent similar letters or e-mails, then maybe NHRA would listen and possibly even consider the idea.

If anyone wants a copy of what I sent to use as a guideline, I can p.m. or e-mail it to you.

[Signman]

Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

The agenda here is for all the cars that use to dominate their classes are now getting there butts whipped and its not fun. They cant sandbag no more and that aint fair. I am pretty sure most of the guys that have these new cars once raced an older car and most likely got their butts handed to them a couple times to many. So they went out and build combinations that were in the NHRA Rulebook, that's a big key, and started returning the butt whippings. All new cars are in the rule book according to NHRA so instead of beating this forum beat NHRA with emails.

Respectfully Joseph
What part of "your dragpack when entered in the shootout can qualify and race against 'old cars' in the regular eliminator without AHFS is not a level palying field" cannot you understand?

Without fear of HP or needing to protect your combination if both triggers have been hit, the danger you may hit it or go 1.20 under will alter where you would be qualified and how the ladder would fall. You would think a savy racer such as yourself would find that something to exploit if not there is a bridge about 15 miles from where I sit you need to own. Either you've got more money than brains orrrrrrr there is an agenda.........

Alan
Would suggest there be no additional events without AHFS. Agree it would be pretty cool at Indy but this discussion would not be if shootout cars were kept separate.
All current events under AHFS should have all entries in regular qualifying and eliminators run on a level playing field under the same rules.
We have national opens where you can let it hang out without fear.

[Joseph Teuton]

Originally Posted by Signman

Respectfully Joseph
What part of "your dragpack when entered in the shootout can qualify and race against 'old cars' in the regular eliminator without AHFS is not a level palying field" cannot you understand?

Without fear of HP or needing to protect your combination if both triggers have been hit, the danger you may hit it or go 1.20 under will alter where you would be qualified and how the ladder would fall. You would think a savy racer such as yourself would find that something to exploit if not there is a bridge about 15 miles from where I sit you need to own. Either you've got more money than brains orrrrrrr there is an agenda.........

I guess the part that I am running a car that is legal within the rules of the organization I enter it in. Not one new car guy disagrees with the old cars but as it is we will run where we fit best. We did not write the rules we simply follow them.

[Signman]

Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

I guess the part that I am running a car that is legal within the rules of the organization I enter it in. Not one new car guy disagrees with the old cars but as it is we will run where we fit best. We did not write the rules we simply follow them.

So I take that comment as you agree there is an advantage for the "Shootout" cars.
A currently legal advantage and yes you are racing within the rules obviously That there is the issue

My posts have been meant to bring to attention the "specific" discrepancy in the rules favoring the "Shootout" cars. It isn't the old cars vs. the new here we all race together and should be under the same rules.
Actually by playin around with Bruce and the banter here shows a bit of a smug attitude by yall as well as a being bit elitist like a typical liberal would in a similar situation.

[Joseph Teuton]

I am merely stating that we looked at the best combination when building our cars as everyone else did at the time they built theirs. Ours just happen to be post 1970's. Why would we build a car that did not have an advantage..?

The smug you are referring about must be the southern in my voice! Lmbo!
Liberal..nah.

[SS3718]

Mr. Signman,
I agree that this isn't a "new" car vs. "old car" issue. But I must ask, why are sticks & autos combined in the new classes but not the old classes? Not to mention, the stick indexes were used which resulted in most all autos taking a substantial hit to their index. Should all stock and super stock classes be combined the same way?

I'm good with the rule as long as everyone is subject to the same rules. Equality for all, right? Maybe this can be corrected too?

Nick Morris
FGT/F

[Tony Corley]

I still really don't see the advantage they have when it comes time for eliminations.

[Signman]

Joseph
Best Wishes to You.

Mr Morris
My interest in this is a level playing field for all.
This effects me in a small way so am speaking up.
Don't think stick and auto should be combined. If it's unfair to the new cars start a conversation and I will support you.

Mr Corley
If we understand how qualifying and ladder system works there are advantages:
Qualify No.1 will earn you a first or second round bye.
Beiing able to sit at the top or bottom of qualifying able to play the ladder at will can have its advantages avoiding headsups, touigh pairings and friends.

Be well gentlemen!

[Hagen Gary]

Originally Posted by Tony Corley

I still really don't see the advantage they have when it comes time for eliminations. In my mind, worrying about where you qualify for a bracket race is like racing in the special Olympics. Even if you are first, you are still HANDICAPPED!

Well, that's an unfortunate way to describe yourself simply because you are unable to understand that if there are 3 bye runs, the top 3 cars get first shot at them. That's how it effects the eliminator. They are stealing bye runs, and in their minds they are doing nothing wrong. Its kinda like that lady who parks in the Handicapped spot, and then pays for all of her food (steak, shrimp and all the good stuff) with food stamps and makes a separate transaction for all of her alcohol. Sure, she is playing by the rules, but I have zero respect for a person like that. She sees no problem, screw everybody else, why don't they just do what she does if its such an advantage?......... I would say, because I'm better than that.