New Eliminator proposition

Tony Corley · 03-30-2015, 11:38 AM

I don't know that I agree with that, especially on a lower hp deal. The auto still robs more hp than a stick.

House of Darts · 03-30-2015, 04:17 PM

How about a combo that lets you run NHRA/IHRA and NMRA. With a tire change you could be racing anywhere and anytime. Builds the sport. Gives older cars an opportunity to run. Win Win.

Tony Corley · 03-30-2015, 05:01 PM

I thought that's what I proposed above? Granted, there is not a place for the older engines, but the older cars can race. Problem with older style engines is that it is going to be impossible to get the factory involvement the new engines have. Plus, if you don't do a sealed engine, sealed tune, (once again, much easier to do and monitor with computer), then you start back getting into the "trick of the week" club, where lots of money is spent testing and trying new parts. Pretty soon, the low dollar guy gives up on a "heads up class", and goes back to bracket racing.
The only reason I can think of that someone would bracket race over heads up racing is that they don't have either the time, know how, commitment, or money it takes to field a competitive heads up car, (or any combo of the above). The classes I proposed eliminates the majority of excuses.

Lee Valentine · 03-30-2015, 05:25 PM

Professor Dave hit the nail right on the head.

Tony Corley · 03-30-2015, 05:32 PM

Which post was that?

Bob Don · 03-30-2015, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony Corley

Which post was that?

Post #19, Dave Ring.

You guys are all ignoring the elephant in the room. That being the almightly dollar. I don't care what rules, what safeguards, whatever you propose, if it's a heads-up eliminator, you're going to be out-dollared - period. The person with the most money wins. Always has been, always will be. Do you think that the system of indexes and AHFS appeared out of thin air? It has been a slow, concerted effort to keep the playing field level. It isn't always perfect but it's the best system going.

This horse (new heads-up eliminator) has been beaten to death so many times I can't count them all.

Tony Corley · 03-30-2015, 05:54 PM

You will spend more keeping a Stocker competitive (for class races) than you will one of these. Coyote Stock is in it's 4th or 5th year, and as competitive as ever. That is why they went ahead with the LS Class. A friend of mine just put together a new car for Coyote Stock and was within a 10th of the number 1 qualifier at the first race of the year, and there is nothing trick or high dollar on the car. The sealed engine and computer takes the "rich guy" factor out of heads up racing. There is only so much you can spend on bolt on suspension and drivetrain before it becomes a driver and chassis tuners race, instead of engine builder/tuners race.
It's not inventing the wheel, it's already being done. I just think it would be even better on a national platform like one of the 'HRA's

03-30-2015, 04:17 PM	#2
House of Darts Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 346 Likes: 19 Liked 20 Times in 15 Posts	Re: New Eliminator proposition How about a combo that lets you run NHRA/IHRA and NMRA. With a tire change you could be racing anywhere and anytime. Builds the sport. Gives older cars an opportunity to run. Win Win.

03-30-2015, 05:01 PM	#3
Tony Corley Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 264 Likes: 42 Liked 61 Times in 25 Posts	Re: New Eliminator proposition I thought that's what I proposed above? Granted, there is not a place for the older engines, but the older cars can race. Problem with older style engines is that it is going to be impossible to get the factory involvement the new engines have. Plus, if you don't do a sealed engine, sealed tune, (once again, much easier to do and monitor with computer), then you start back getting into the "trick of the week" club, where lots of money is spent testing and trying new parts. Pretty soon, the low dollar guy gives up on a "heads up class", and goes back to bracket racing. The only reason I can think of that someone would bracket race over heads up racing is that they don't have either the time, know how, commitment, or money it takes to field a competitive heads up car, (or any combo of the above). The classes I proposed eliminates the majority of excuses.

03-30-2015, 05:25 PM	#4
Lee Valentine Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Brookfield, CT Posts: 708 Likes: 13 Liked 319 Times in 68 Posts	Re: New Eliminator proposition Professor Dave hit the nail right on the head. __________________ Lee Valentine 1661 STK

03-30-2015, 05:32 PM	#5
Tony Corley Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 264 Likes: 42 Liked 61 Times in 25 Posts	Re: New Eliminator proposition Which post was that?

03-30-2015, 05:54 PM	#7
Tony Corley Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 264 Likes: 42 Liked 61 Times in 25 Posts	Re: New Eliminator proposition You will spend more keeping a Stocker competitive (for class races) than you will one of these. Coyote Stock is in it's 4th or 5th year, and as competitive as ever. That is why they went ahead with the LS Class. A friend of mine just put together a new car for Coyote Stock and was within a 10th of the number 1 qualifier at the first race of the year, and there is nothing trick or high dollar on the car. The sealed engine and computer takes the "rich guy" factor out of heads up racing. There is only so much you can spend on bolt on suspension and drivetrain before it becomes a driver and chassis tuners race, instead of engine builder/tuners race. It's not inventing the wheel, it's already being done. I just think it would be even better on a national platform like one of the 'HRA's Last edited by Tony Corley; 03-30-2015 at 06:05 PM.

03-30-2015, 11:38 AM	#1
Tony Corley Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 264 Likes: 42 Liked 61 Times in 25 Posts	Re: New Eliminator proposition I don't know that I agree with that, especially on a lower hp deal. The auto still robs more hp than a stick.