Painting with Graphics Question

Dion Hildebrandt · 05-15-2015, 11:55 AM

What brand of paint are you going to use?
Reason I ask is the paint pulling away can be remedied with some proper materials and additives.

I will speak of Sikkens brand as I have used it for almost 25 years. We had done a flame job years ago and the flame licks were lifting after clear coat. So after lengthy discussions with the technical people at Sikkens it was determined that a hardener needed to be added to each layer of base coat color. This was done to promote cross link between each layer and subsequent clear coat. The second go around is still going as far as I know. This was all solvent based basecoat.

In recent years we have switched to waterborne basecoat and the same thing was happening with clearcoat and basecoats separating on regular paint jobs. So after some lengthy investigation it was determined that a specific hardener needed to be added to also improve crosslink between colors and clears.

Now it is also important to NOT intermix paint brands if at all possible. If it is done there is a great chance of having a peeling problem down the road. It is a possibility that the peeling the falcon has could be a result of-
1-intermixed or "budget" paint materials
2-improper preparation or painting practices
3-improper temperature or application process (meaning the base maybe wasn't flashed or dried properly -maybe "skinned over")
4-lack of proper additives for multi layer graphics

doing practice panels is a good idea, in addition do some research on the particular paint brand you are using. If you can get to know the area paint rep for that paint and if he is a "car guy" you may be able to get some specific tips or hints to achieving that custom finish.

Nice looking Impala by the way

impstocker · 05-15-2015, 12:12 PM

Thanks Dion. As far as that Falcon project I know he had at least 2 different folks doing the work. (one left before he finished) so I could imagine the paints used. I know he spent close to 2K for paint products alone! Not in my budget. Anyway this is race car, not a street car. It would not have been a car I would have started with to be a street car, too many body, rust ect issues. I will do my best, hope for a "20 footer" look. Don't want to destroy the "integrity" of the class, right Mr Nees !

I will look into the hardener though. Thanks

Will

Dion Hildebrandt · 05-15-2015, 12:27 PM

http://www.matrixsystem.com/docs/tec...tech_sheet.pdf, found this technical sheet for the clear coat you had mentioned. I don't have experience with Matrix systems but I have heard good things.

$2000 for a complete refinish is about right...pricey but that seems like a fair dollar figure for the good quality materials.

05-15-2015, 11:55 AM	#1
Dion Hildebrandt Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: calgary alberta canada Posts: 383 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Painting with Graphics Question What brand of paint are you going to use? Reason I ask is the paint pulling away can be remedied with some proper materials and additives. I will speak of Sikkens brand as I have used it for almost 25 years. We had done a flame job years ago and the flame licks were lifting after clear coat. So after lengthy discussions with the technical people at Sikkens it was determined that a hardener needed to be added to each layer of base coat color. This was done to promote cross link between each layer and subsequent clear coat. The second go around is still going as far as I know. This was all solvent based basecoat. In recent years we have switched to waterborne basecoat and the same thing was happening with clearcoat and basecoats separating on regular paint jobs. So after some lengthy investigation it was determined that a specific hardener needed to be added to also improve crosslink between colors and clears. Now it is also important to NOT intermix paint brands if at all possible. If it is done there is a great chance of having a peeling problem down the road. It is a possibility that the peeling the falcon has could be a result of- 1-intermixed or "budget" paint materials 2-improper preparation or painting practices 3-improper temperature or application process (meaning the base maybe wasn't flashed or dried properly -maybe "skinned over") 4-lack of proper additives for multi layer graphics doing practice panels is a good idea, in addition do some research on the particular paint brand you are using. If you can get to know the area paint rep for that paint and if he is a "car guy" you may be able to get some specific tips or hints to achieving that custom finish. Nice looking Impala by the way __________________ Dion Hildebrandt 6009 STK H/SA Last edited by Dion Hildebrandt; 05-15-2015 at 11:58 AM. Reason: addition

05-15-2015, 12:12 PM	#2
impstocker Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Wingdale, NY Posts: 302 Likes: 27 Liked 53 Times in 16 Posts	Re: Painting with Graphics Question Thanks Dion. As far as that Falcon project I know he had at least 2 different folks doing the work. (one left before he finished) so I could imagine the paints used. I know he spent close to 2K for paint products alone! Not in my budget. Anyway this is race car, not a street car. It would not have been a car I would have started with to be a street car, too many body, rust ect issues. I will do my best, hope for a "20 footer" look. Don't want to destroy the "integrity" of the class, right Mr Nees ! I will look into the hardener though. Thanks Will

05-15-2015, 12:27 PM	#3
Dion Hildebrandt Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: calgary alberta canada Posts: 383 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Painting with Graphics Question http://www.matrixsystem.com/docs/tec...tech_sheet.pdf, found this technical sheet for the clear coat you had mentioned. I don't have experience with Matrix systems but I have heard good things. $2000 for a complete refinish is about right...pricey but that seems like a fair dollar figure for the good quality materials. __________________ Dion Hildebrandt 6009 STK H/SA