Going DEEP....

[JOE ZOOM]

Originally Posted by Tim Ellis

I say let's get NHRA to allow it. It's true many slower reacting cars can't hit a light shallow. What is it hurting you if the other driver goes deep? Nothing. If you don't think it's fair , go deep too. Or better yet just stage quickly so the slower ( most likely) driver doesn't have time to go in carefully deep. He may still be bumping as his lights are coming down. Been on the bad side of that one.

Hey Tim...Nice Post. The burden to stage deep has always been on the deep stager.I never understood the issues competitors had.Any so called games by anyone have been resolved by NHRA implementing the auto start and courtesy staging.

[Tim Ellis]

Exactly Joe

[The Hawk]

Maybe sometime this coming season I should put someone else in the Skyhawk to see how they do. At legal weight for V/SA at Denver, I shallow stage with 26" tall front runners and use either a 2 Step or foot brake and have troubles at times keeping it green. The normal 60` times are in the mid 2.20`s. This is with a low gear TH 350 trans and leaving on color on the last amber.

[j gardiner]

Thanks Mike and Dan for clearing up a lot of those inaccurate statements. You guys credentials can't be disputed. Anybody trying to argue with your information just shows their ignorance. Another reason a lot of bracket racers deep stage even though they are in fast cars. As you pointed the wild variables in rollout etc. deep staging eliminates a lot of that. You can go track to track and just make small adjustments.

[Bruce Noland]

Deep staging was banned for two reasons. 1.) It was causing a lot of problems for the racers in the opposing lane who were not deep staging, and 2.) A poll was conducted and a large majority of the racers voted against it. nhra put that problem away years ago and you can believe it will never allow it to return.

[Ed Wright]

^^^^^^^ There you go.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

1.) It was causing a lot of problems for the racers in the opposing lane who were not deep staging,

Bruce, I honestly don't remember this. Could you give us an example?
What I remember is it causing a lot of problems for racers who DID deep stage.
A few guys would skip their burnout or do a brief one, then charge up to the line and stage quickly so the d/s er wouldn't have time to get all the way in, instead of just running their own program.
NHRA didn't quite know how to deal with it, so they put up a bogus poll so they would be covered.
I called the poll bogus because ,as I mentioned in my first post here, polling people who probably would never deep stage makes little sense, unless they wanted a specific outcome.
Also included in this "poll" were those who didn't even understand the concept, as illustrated right here in this very thread.

^^^^^^^ There you go.

ED, I thought you were done with this thread, a few pages back?

[JOE ZOOM]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Bruce, I honestly don't remember this. Could you give us an example?
What I remember is it causing a lot of problems for racers who DID deep stage.
A few guys would skip their burnout or do a brief one, then charge up to the line and stage quickly so the d/s er wouldn't have time to get all the way in, instead of just running their own program.
NHRA didn't quite know how to deal with it, so they put up a bogus poll so they would be covered.
I called the poll bogus because ,as I mentioned in my first post here, polling people who probably would never deep stage makes little sense, unless they wanted a specific outcome.
Also included in this "poll" were those who didn't even understand the concept, as illustrated right here in this very thread.
ED, I thought you were done with this thread, a few pages back?

You are spot on Mark.....Joe Mocci

[jmantle]

Originally Posted by The Hawk

Maybe sometime this coming season I should put someone else in the Skyhawk to see how they do. At legal weight for V/SA at Denver, I shallow stage with 26" tall front runners and use either a 2 Step or foot brake and have troubles at times keeping it green. The normal 60` times are in the mid 2.20`s. This is with a low gear TH 350 trans and leaving on color on the last amber.

Mark, I'll gladly volunteer to swap cars for a run. Mine runs low 1.90 60's and I can't wait for the bottom amber with 24" front tires, even at sea level.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

[The Hawk]

Originally Posted by jmantle

Mark, ....
Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

????? Lane here.

I`m sure everyone has a different rhythm with the tree as well. The LED bulbs made a huge difference for me 12 years ago.