Going DEEP.... - Page 8

Bruce Noland · 12-02-2015, 11:31 PM

Mark you have a very good memory and I'm surprised you don't remember the uproar this caused. The poll was not bogus. It was a racers only poll and all of us understood the issue very well. The issue of deep staging was thoroughly hashed out, voted upon and booted by the racers. It's that simple. The issue is dead.

Michael Beard · 12-02-2015, 11:37 PM

When you have voting on a subject by a massive majority over a distinct minority, of course the majority is going to win. People don't care unless it affects *them*. Would people "vote out" FWD cars? I mean, "they're not real race cars", right? And "Why would anybody want to race a 5000# LTD?" They should vote those out, too. Trucks? Gone. 4-doors? Gone. Turbo cars? Too hard to police.

The timing system companies bend over backwards to accommodate delay box cars with CrossTalk and StageLock, but can't write code to handle a "D" after the dial-in to make the system recognize two bulbs as "pre-staged" and "staged-only" (top bulb out) as "staged". Then you'd have 100% AutoStart for everyone.

Bruce Noland · 12-02-2015, 11:46 PM

You are 100% correct a massive majority will beat a distinct minority in a poll every time. In this case the massive majority of the racers chose to ban the headache known as deep staging.

Mark Yacavone · 12-03-2015, 12:06 AM

I guess it's not a headache for the pro's.
Bruce, doesn't this kill you? Eight pages on a dead issue?
It's gonna be a long two months, buddy.

JOE ZOOM · 12-03-2015, 12:09 AM

Hey Bruce, Mark asked if you could give an example of how deep staging caused an issue for the opponent who is not deep staged?....Joe Mocci

Bruce Noland · 12-03-2015, 12:12 AM

Pros have a different deal all together. A long two months? Not for me buddy. Do you plan on racing again or just having some keyboard fun?

Mark Yacavone · 12-03-2015, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Pros have a different deal all together. A long two months? Not for me buddy. Do you plan on racing again or just having some keyboard fun?

Ya never know with me. If I find something to drive with 3 pedals, well then...

Almost forgot to say...so I wouldn't have to deep stage LOL

Bruce Noland · 12-03-2015, 12:22 AM

Joe, there were problems for racers who were not sure if the racer in the other lane was still staged when the bulb went out and it was an unnecessary distraction to what should be a pretty simple procedure. That's one reason deep staging was banned. You don't think nhra would go to the trouble of polling the racers if there were not big problems with deep staging. .. do ya? Think about putting the four barrel on your car and you could leave just like all the other 69 350 combos - if you're still running that car.

MR DERBY CITY · 12-03-2015, 01:08 AM

As far as I am concerned the Slower Cars took it up the shorts when NHRA declared Going Deep illegal. Bruce is absolutely correct....The issue is dead. I can live with that decision,however... We need to Revisit the Worst Redlight ....just to even things out. As a matter of fact, I think I will call my close friend , Al at Port a Tree tomorrow .We need to get the ball Rollin on this.

Larry Hill · 12-03-2015, 09:27 AM

Does anyone remember when some of the racers would go way deep, and then would back up to turn the stage lite back on? The last movement to stage was not rolling forward as it should be.

Putting "Deep" on the window tells the starter "don't start the tree until I'm ready to race" It looks to me like that would be an advantage knowing that the tree would not start until the deep stager was stage.

Doing a short burn out and going to the line is not breaking any rules. Deep stagers will do that to put pressure on there foe, and vice versa. Bottom line, you have to be ready!

If you want a clean tree build a slow car. If you want win on the first red lite build a fast car. If you want to win and do well work at it. The Champs I have observed over the years all have a great work ethic.

12-02-2015, 11:31 PM	#71
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Going DEEP.... Mark you have a very good memory and I'm surprised you don't remember the uproar this caused. The poll was not bogus. It was a racers only poll and all of us understood the issue very well. The issue of deep staging was thoroughly hashed out, voted upon and booted by the racers. It's that simple. The issue is dead. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

12-02-2015, 11:37 PM	#72
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Going DEEP.... When you have voting on a subject by a massive majority over a distinct minority, of course the majority is going to win. People don't care unless it affects them. Would people "vote out" FWD cars? I mean, "they're not real race cars", right? And "Why would anybody want to race a 5000# LTD?" They should vote those out, too. Trucks? Gone. 4-doors? Gone. Turbo cars? Too hard to police. The timing system companies bend over backwards to accommodate delay box cars with CrossTalk and StageLock, but can't write code to handle a "D" after the dial-in to make the system recognize two bulbs as "pre-staged" and "staged-only" (top bulb out) as "staged". Then you'd have 100% AutoStart for everyone. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

12-02-2015, 11:46 PM	#73
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Going DEEP.... You are 100% correct a massive majority will beat a distinct minority in a poll every time. In this case the massive majority of the racers chose to ban the headache known as deep staging. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

12-03-2015, 12:06 AM	#74
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,815 Likes: 2,904 Liked 5,121 Times in 1,952 Posts	Re: Going DEEP.... I guess it's not a headache for the pro's. Bruce, doesn't this kill you? Eight pages on a dead issue? It's gonna be a long two months, buddy. __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

12-03-2015, 12:09 AM	#75
JOE ZOOM Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 176 Likes: 71 Liked 43 Times in 15 Posts	Re: Going DEEP.... Hey Bruce, Mark asked if you could give an example of how deep staging caused an issue for the opponent who is not deep staged?....Joe Mocci

12-03-2015, 12:12 AM	#76
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Going DEEP.... Pros have a different deal all together. A long two months? Not for me buddy. Do you plan on racing again or just having some keyboard fun? __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

12-03-2015, 12:22 AM	#78
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Going DEEP.... Joe, there were problems for racers who were not sure if the racer in the other lane was still staged when the bulb went out and it was an unnecessary distraction to what should be a pretty simple procedure. That's one reason deep staging was banned. You don't think nhra would go to the trouble of polling the racers if there were not big problems with deep staging. .. do ya? Think about putting the four barrel on your car and you could leave just like all the other 69 350 combos - if you're still running that car. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

12-03-2015, 01:08 AM	#79
MR DERBY CITY VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Derby City, USA Posts: 3,639 Likes: 1,083 Liked 7,938 Times in 1,519 Posts	Re: Going DEEP.... As far as I am concerned the Slower Cars took it up the shorts when NHRA declared Going Deep illegal. Bruce is absolutely correct....The issue is dead. I can live with that decision,however... We need to Revisit the Worst Redlight ....just to even things out. As a matter of fact, I think I will call my close friend , Al at Port a Tree tomorrow .We need to get the ball Rollin on this.

12-03-2015, 09:27 AM	#80
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,640 Likes: 1,939 Liked 10,714 Times in 2,230 Posts	Re: Going DEEP.... Does anyone remember when some of the racers would go way deep, and then would back up to turn the stage lite back on? The last movement to stage was not rolling forward as it should be. Putting "Deep" on the window tells the starter "don't start the tree until I'm ready to race" It looks to me like that would be an advantage knowing that the tree would not start until the deep stager was stage. Doing a short burn out and going to the line is not breaking any rules. Deep stagers will do that to put pressure on there foe, and vice versa. Bottom line, you have to be ready! If you want a clean tree build a slow car. If you want win on the first red lite build a fast car. If you want to win and do well work at it. The Champs I have observed over the years all have a great work ethic. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817