Word is 1.15 under for AHFS at Opens and Divisional races

[Larry Buckingham SS3820]

It appears that one again Mr. Noland has put the cart before the horse - smart money says that the issue will be discussed and decided this weekend at the PRI show. We agree with Charlie Ford's suggested changes. We strongly believe that whatever the outcome ALL runs should count - not just 1st round of class.

On another subject that will effect us all - has anyone noticed the low entry availability for next year's National event registration? One example is Norwalk - NO Stock - 80 Superstock - yet 110 each of Super Comp and Super Gas. Throw in the Stockers who have no place to race, but can roll into Superstock and how many of you will be left out? We were told that the .2 adjustment was to eliminate some of this problem.

I don't know "Keith", but I do know the Worner Bros. and I sure wouldn't be callin' them names!

As for Len Imbrogno - he's the real deal. We've never asked him for help that he didn't at least try to help us. And now with Bruce Bachelder heading the Tech Department, we should see some major improvements and decisions that stick.

Regardless of the rule changes or the price of diesel fuel - we'll see ya all in the staging lanes because we love Superstock racing and most of the people involved.

Larry & Lisa Buckingham
SS3820/SS3821

[Michael Beard]

>> One example is Norwalk - NO Stock - 80 Superstock - yet 110 each of Super Comp and Super Gas.

Now that's ridiculous, IMO. We've run close to 1,000 cars at Norwalk for years.

>> We were told that the .2 adjustment was to eliminate some of this problem.

I believe Len said back on page 1 of this thread 'no' to the .20 index change. Len *is* a good guy, who has long stood for the racer. He deserves some respect.


>> how about set the ahfs at -.075 under, no quota for national events and a 64 car qualified field?
>> fix the problem if there is one pretty quick

Although probably tongue-in-cheek, that's probably not far off the mark! Everyone would be judged, refactored, and re-classed with a clean slate in a heartbeat! LOL

[Signman]

Was told the 2008 is the last year for the rotation of classes at national events. The end of the trial.

2009 all classes will run at all national events. Car count will be cut as X amount of cars can be run down the track on a given day within the time constraints. Logistical issues are just a fact of life. If you want to run a national you are going to need them grade points.

[LNorton]

As far as I am concerned, I will still concentrate on using my shoe polish since we are under the index.

[Bruce Noland]

Mr. Buckingham,

You sound very much in the know on all things nhra or possibly some one is retro fitting the news for you. After cleaning your nose can you please tell me who will be discussing what at the PRI show? Specifics please!

[Lynn A McCarty]

There are rules of engagement that must be followed when doing statistical evaluations. Some are assumptions. Some assumptions are statistically significant, some are not. This is why no system is perfect.

However, you cannot have a valid system that is not mathematically accurate. If NASA did it the AHFS way, they would have missed the moon entirely. It is only the manual joy stick that keeps in on track. (The good people adding some sense to it)

One thing that is perfectly clear, you must correct to sea level or some other standard. Yes there would be some inaccuracies, but a 10.00 run at 5000 feet is not the same as a 9.80 run at sea level. Most racers have the software in their trailers to calculate all of this. It isnt that hard to do.

Yes if a set of numbers are found to be inaccurate, then you gotta throw them out. The statistical method of standard deviation can be found on any Excel Spread Sheet or any high school science book. It is the only right way to do things. It separates the individual outstanding performances from bogus HP and bogus parts acquisition.

Even doing it the right way is difficult, can you imagine the mistakes doing it the wrong way? I would say an engine family that averages 1.15(without sandbagging) under to an engine family that averages 0.7 is an egregious difference. If we have a AHFS, then how does this condition currently exist if it is working?

My guess to equalize these two would be about 70HP?(assuming 15HP a tenth?) How many 3-4HP adders would we do? How long would it take? I assure you there are many engines that fit this category and worse.

Lynn

[SSDiv6]

You do not need an Excel spreadsheet to do it. It is easy to do a computer program that would adjust the numbers based on weather conditions and actual track altitude. The computer program called Density, that was created by Pat Hale, can be modified to do so. Nevertheless, Pat sold all the program rights to the owner of speedtalk.com. NHRA should hire Pat Hale to develop a computer program to do the adjustments properly and scientifically, and take away the "Human Interest/Factor" from the adjustments.

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

You do not need an Excel spreadsheet to do it. It is easy to do a computer program that would adjust the numbers based on weather conditions and actual track altitude. The computer program called Density, that was created by Pat Hale, can be modified to do so. Nevertheless, Pat sold all the program rights to the owner of speedtalk.com. NHRA should hire Pat Hale to develop a computer program to do the adjustments properly and scientifically, and take away the "Human Interest/Factor" from the adjustments.

Actually any simple program could do it or anyone knowing how to do spc methods and data entry. Excel has it or any other compute programs. It isnt rocket science more like High School Science.

Lynn