New Super Stock weight breaks for 2017

[Herbie Null]

Mike, if I carry my 10.65 index along with me in GT/IA then all of the indexs would be changing to which is why I asked. Right now the GT/IA index for stick is 10.95 and automatic is 11.20

[Bryan Worner]

I must be reading the change wrong than those on here getting all excited, ie. Beard and Butler.

All I see is they added four lighter weight breaks. 6.00-6.50, 6.50-7.00, 7.00-7.50, 7.50-8.00. That's it! No mention of combining sticks and autos, SS and GT, etc.

Nobody is gaining an advantage here, just adding lighter weight breaks. Remember when they did it in stock, (AA/SA)? Same thing here, only now your letter will change.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Bryan Worner

I must be reading the change wrong than those on here getting all excited, ie. Beard and Butler.

All I see is they added four lighter weight breaks. 6.00-6.50, 6.50-7.00, 7.00-7.50, 7.50-8.00. That's it! No mention of combining sticks and autos, SS and GT, etc.

Nobody is gaining an advantage here, just adding lighter weight breaks. Remember when they did it in stock, (AA/SA)? Same thing here, only now your letter will change.

That's what I got when I read it. 'Course, I'm from Oklahoma, so........

[Dick Butler]

And I'm only a fan......and an old one at that.

[Herbie Null]

I get it, all I am asking is are they going to adjust the index to. If they don't it means that I am going to be a GT/IA car at the same weight that I was in GT/EA. Nevermind

[FireSale]

From the revision that has been discussed here:

SECTION 11A: SUPER STOCK, DESIGNATIONS (Page 11) (1/28/2016)
DESIGNATIONS (For 2016 season)
FGT/A, FGT/B, FGT/C, FGT/D, FGT/E, FGT/F, FGT/G, FGT/H, FGT/I, FGT/J, GT/A, GT/B, GT/C, GT/D, GT/E, GT/F, GT/G, GT/H, GT/I, GT/J, GT/K, GT/L, and GT/M, preceded by car number (manual transmission). GT/AA, GT/BA, GT/CA, GT/DA, GT/EA, GT/FA, GT/GA, GT/HA, GT/IA, GT/JA, GT/KA, GT/LA, and GT/MA, preceded by car number (automatic transmission).

DESIGNATIONS (For 2017 season)
FGT/A, FGT/B, FGT/C, FGT/D, FGT/E, FGT/F, FGT/G, FGT/H, FGT/I, FGT/J, FGT/K, FGT/L, FGT/M, FGT/N, GT/A, GT/B, GT/C, GT/D, GT/E, GT/F, GT/G, GT/H, GT/I, GT/J, GT/K, GT/L, GT/M, GT/N, GT/O, GT/P and GT/Q, preceded by car number (manual transmission). GT/AA, GT/BA, GT/CA, GT/DA, GT/EA, GT/FA, GT/GA, GT/HA, GT/IA, GT/JA, GT/KA, GT/LA, GT/MA, GT/NA, GT/OA GT/PA and GT/QA, preceded by car number (automatic transmission).
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From the originally published 2016 rule book:

SECTION 11A - SUPER STOCK, DESIGNATIONS
FSS/A, FSS/B, FSS/C, FSS/D, FSS/E, FSS/F, FSS/G, FSS/H, FSS/I,
FSS/J, FSS/K, FSS/L, FSS/M, SS/AH, SS/A, SS/B, SS/C, SS/D,
SS/E, SS/F, SS/G, SS/H, SS/I, SS/J, SS/K, SS/L, SS/M, SS/N,
SS/O, and SS/P preceded by car number (manual transmission).
SS/AA, SS/BA, SS/CA, SS/DA, SS/EA, SS/FA, SS/GA, SS/HA,
SS/IA, SS/JA, SS/KA, SS/LA, SS/MA, SS/NA, SS/OA, and SS/PA
preceded by car number (automatic transmission).

SECTION 11B -SUPER STOCK/GT
Requirements and specifications for GT classes
are the same as those for Super Stock classes -
Section 11A - with the following exceptions:

DESIGNATIONS
FGT/A, FGT/B, FGT/C, FGT/D, FGT/E, FGT/F, FGT/G, FGT/H,
FGT/I, FGT/J, GT/A, GT/B, GT/C, GT/D, GT/E, GT/F, GT/G,
GT/H, GT/I, GT/J, GT/K, GT/L, and GT/M, preceded by car
number (manual transmission). GT/AA, GT/BA, GT/CA, GT/DA,
GT/EA, GT/FA, GT/GA, GT/HA, GT/IA, GT/JA, GT/KA, GT/LA,
and GT/MA, preceded by car number (automatic transmission).

It looks to me like SS and GT are going to be merged under the designation GT. The new revision is titled Super Stock 11a, but all the classes listed are designated GT. The text makes reference to GT only and includes the "year optional" for the engine, so maybe an error in the section title?

Dale

[Bryan Worner]

I'm sure the index you currently have at your weight break will remain the same. It's just that you'll be running GT/IA instead of GT/EA. So I would assume GT/EA will be 10.10(the old GT/AA index), FA 10.25, GA 10.40, HA 10.50, IA 10.65, etc. So, in reality, your current weight break you run will carry with it the same index, well should anyway. So, yes, the GT/IA index should change from 11.20 to 10.65. It might go to the SS/IA index of 10.70, who knows.

[Byron Worner]

Originally Posted by FireSale

From the revision that has been discussed here:

SECTION 11A: SUPER STOCK, DESIGNATIONS (Page 11) (1/28/2016)
DESIGNATIONS (For 2016 season)
FGT/A, FGT/B, FGT/C, FGT/D, FGT/E, FGT/F, FGT/G, FGT/H, FGT/I, FGT/J, GT/A, GT/B, GT/C, GT/D, GT/E, GT/F, GT/G, GT/H, GT/I, GT/J, GT/K, GT/L, and GT/M, preceded by car number (manual transmission). GT/AA, GT/BA, GT/CA, GT/DA, GT/EA, GT/FA, GT/GA, GT/HA, GT/IA, GT/JA, GT/KA, GT/LA, and GT/MA, preceded by car number (automatic transmission).

DESIGNATIONS (For 2017 season)
FGT/A, FGT/B, FGT/C, FGT/D, FGT/E, FGT/F, FGT/G, FGT/H, FGT/I, FGT/J, FGT/K, FGT/L, FGT/M, FGT/N, GT/A, GT/B, GT/C, GT/D, GT/E, GT/F, GT/G, GT/H, GT/I, GT/J, GT/K, GT/L, GT/M, GT/N, GT/O, GT/P and GT/Q, preceded by car number (manual transmission). GT/AA, GT/BA, GT/CA, GT/DA, GT/EA, GT/FA, GT/GA, GT/HA, GT/IA, GT/JA, GT/KA, GT/LA, GT/MA, GT/NA, GT/OA GT/PA and GT/QA, preceded by car number (automatic transmission).
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From the originally published 2016 rule book:

SECTION 11A - SUPER STOCK, DESIGNATIONS
FSS/A, FSS/B, FSS/C, FSS/D, FSS/E, FSS/F, FSS/G, FSS/H, FSS/I,
FSS/J, FSS/K, FSS/L, FSS/M, SS/AH, SS/A, SS/B, SS/C, SS/D,
SS/E, SS/F, SS/G, SS/H, SS/I, SS/J, SS/K, SS/L, SS/M, SS/N,
SS/O, and SS/P preceded by car number (manual transmission).
SS/AA, SS/BA, SS/CA, SS/DA, SS/EA, SS/FA, SS/GA, SS/HA,
SS/IA, SS/JA, SS/KA, SS/LA, SS/MA, SS/NA, SS/OA, and SS/PA
preceded by car number (automatic transmission).

SECTION 11B -SUPER STOCK/GT
Requirements and specifications for GT classes
are the same as those for Super Stock classes -
Section 11A - with the following exceptions:

DESIGNATIONS
FGT/A, FGT/B, FGT/C, FGT/D, FGT/E, FGT/F, FGT/G, FGT/H,
FGT/I, FGT/J, GT/A, GT/B, GT/C, GT/D, GT/E, GT/F, GT/G,
GT/H, GT/I, GT/J, GT/K, GT/L, and GT/M, preceded by car
number (manual transmission). GT/AA, GT/BA, GT/CA, GT/DA,
GT/EA, GT/FA, GT/GA, GT/HA, GT/IA, GT/JA, GT/KA, GT/LA,
and GT/MA, preceded by car number (automatic transmission).

It looks to me like SS and GT are going to be merged under the designation GT. The new revision is titled Super Stock 11a, but all the classes listed are designated GT. The text makes reference to GT only and includes the "year optional" for the engine, so maybe an error in the section title?

Dale

I'm not seeing any change to the Super Stock designations.

[FireSale]

Originally Posted by Byron Worner

I'm not seeing any change to the Super Stock designations.

Then the revision should be for Section 11B Super Stock GT, not 11A Super Stock. I want to see a complete corrected 2016 rule book as a single document just to be sure what is right. These constant partial revisions are not very professional.

Disclaimer: I taught Elementary school. Lack of polish from the administrators drove me nuts...

Dale

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Bryan Worner

I must be reading the change wrong than those on here getting all excited, ie. Beard and Butler.

All I see is they added four lighter weight breaks. 6.00-6.50, 6.50-7.00, 7.00-7.50, 7.50-8.00. That's it! No mention of combining sticks and autos, SS and GT, etc.

Nobody is gaining an advantage here, just adding lighter weight breaks. Remember when they did it in stock, (AA/SA)? Same thing here, only now your letter will change.

You are criticizing a point that I was not debating. I have no problem whatsoever comprehending what the rule changes are, past, present, or future.

I addressed very specific issues that are *already* in the rulebook, which based on NHRA's 2017 rule updates, will continue to be issues in the future.