Live From 2016 Winternationals

[Mike Keener]

Bingo....most of the time it would only matter in a heads up race or races that are get close to the same dial. In other instances the car leaving last will continue having an advantage. For example an A car racing a N car after seeing clearly the red light by the N car, instead of just going for it freebie style- will simply just dog it.

[Lenny5160]

Originally Posted by Mike Keener

Bingo....most of the time it would only matter in a heads up race or races that are get close to the same dial. In other instances the car leaving last will continue having an advantage. For example an A car racing a N car after seeing clearly the red light by the N car, instead of just going for it freebie style- will simply just dog it.

How will the A car clearly see the red, when the ambers are blinded and the green light illuminates until the A car has left?

I think the previous poster was pointing out that the current statistics of potentially impacted races are skewed because the faster car sees the red and then hits the tree harder as a result. It is a fair point, but I could imagine that there are also drivers who become by distracted by the red and don't hit the tree as hard.

At any rate, the number of impacted races does not change the good principle behind the system.

[Bobby DiDomenico]

Originally Posted by Lenny5160

How will the A car clearly see the red, when the ambers are blinded and the green light illuminates until the A car has left?

I think the previous poster was pointing out that the current statistics of potentially impacted races are skewed because the faster car sees the red and then hits the tree harder as a result. It is a fair point, but I could imagine that there are also drivers who become by distracted by the red and don't hit the tree as hard.

At any rate, the number of impacted races does not change the good principle behind the system.

I'd expect in most cases the faster car lays off the tree and saves the equipment skewing the current results away from red lights.
Installing it would seem to even the playing field and I don't think it would take spectators long to understand it.

[Mike Keener]

My last post above may have been misleading in that when I started by saying "Bingo" I "was agreeing" with Jim Caughlin's post about the necessity of using blinders on the tree for it to be fair.

Without blinders in larger handicap starts the faster car will always have the advantage of seeing the red light and therefore knowing what he has to do to not loose the round. As a result it seems to me that with blinders on the tree the playing field would more level than it would be without them.

When the race is heads up or the handicap start is too close to obtain the advantage of being the faster car- it wouldn't matter nearly as much.

Just my 2 cents...

[jmcarter]

Guys, there's already a thread on the red light topic;

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=61133

Thanks for the reporting Bob, better luck to you and Charlene at Phoenix.

[Johnny Gray]

Strange race.



Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
7002 Jim Meador 7474 Justin Lamb
E3 ****WINNER**** 0.013 10.838 103.11 0.012 11.449 114.71
D/SA Dial: 10.04 (+/-): 0.798 E/SA Dial: 10.90 (+/-): 0.549
Prior rounds:
E2 (D Smith ) 0.039 10.670 -0.020 (K Snow ) -0.004 11.010 0.060
E1 (L Peterson ) 0.017 10.657 0.007 (S Burton ) 0.021 10.958 0.048
Qualified: #21 10.665 -0.885 #47 10.956 -0.744

[Bob Gullett]

Originally Posted by Johnny Gray

Strange race.



Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
7002 Jim Meador 7474 Justin Lamb
E3 ****WINNER**** 0.013 10.838 103.11 0.012 11.449 114.71
D/SA Dial: 10.04 (+/-): 0.798 E/SA Dial: 10.90 (+/-): 0.549
Prior rounds:
E2 (D Smith ) 0.039 10.670 -0.020 (K Snow ) -0.004 11.010 0.060
E1 (L Peterson ) 0.017 10.657 0.007 (S Burton ) 0.021 10.958 0.048
Qualified: #21 10.665 -0.885 #47 10.956 -0.744

They originally had Meador's dial in as a 10.04 but before he ran they corrected it to 10.64.

[Dave Casey]

Originally Posted by jmcarter

Guys, there's already a thread on the red light topic;

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=61133

Thanks for the reporting Bob, better luck to you and Charlene at Phoenix.

X2,,,,Back on topic would be great,,,,,

Good runs in G stick Bob, congrats. Wish I was there enjoying the event. Looks like an A+ weather race , slightly warmer than where I am, 1 pm and 18 degrees. Not complaining , good snowmobiling temps.

Some very good runs, good lights and dead on stuff.

Good luck to all

[Bob Gullett]

Originally Posted by Dave Casey

X2,,,,Back on topic would be great,,,,,

Good runs in G stick Bob, congrats. Wish I was there enjoying the event. Looks like an A+ weather race , slightly warmer than where I am, 1 pm and 18 degrees. Not complaining , good snowmobiling temps.

Some very good runs, good lights and dead on stuff.

Good luck to all

Thanks Dave.

[Lenny5160]

Originally Posted by Mike Keener

My last post above may have been misleading in that when I started by saying "Bingo" I "was agreeing" with Jim Caughlin's post about the necessity of using blinders on the tree for it to be fair.

Without blinders in larger handicap starts the faster car will always have the advantage of seeing the red light and therefore knowing what he has to do to not loose the round. As a result it seems to me that with blinders on the tree the playing field would more level than it would be without them.

What I was trying to explain to you is, as currently programmed, TruSTART does not display the red light until both cars have left the starting line. The faster driver won't know anything, blinders or not, unless he wants to judge the reaction time for himself.

Let's give Norman Marsden a warm welcome to the Winternationals Stock/Super Stock TruSTART fan club!