EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race Cars

[davidhuff]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

The mission of any State EPA or the Federal EPA is to help protect all of it's citizens. Not just for today but also for the future. It's not an easy job because we are all polluters and there are some people in this world who are determined to circumvent the EPA rules. I have been listening to this BS about the government is taking our liberties away for more than 60 years, and until the recent voter restriction laws popped up, I haven't found any reason to be concerned. The EPA is simply trying to provide our descendants with a habitable planet. The US EPA is also the most embattled agency in the federal government, so rest assured, all the special interests groups will fight every "problematic" rule it attempts to enact.

What is a voter restriction law?Is it like showing the proper ID before getting on a airplane or showing the proper ID before you enter another country while on vacation.LOL

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by davidhuff

What is a voter restriction law?Is it like showing the proper ID before getting on a airplane or showing the proper ID before you enter another country while on vacation.LOL

Not that I expect you to read it:

http://www.nationalmemo.com/pennsylv...c-vote-in-2012

and

Passing laws that reduce polling stations and hours of operation is blatant voter suppression. There is nothing funny about voting. It is a serious matter.

Edit: cellphone issues with links. Google voter suppression - especially in PA.

[james schaechter]

Bruce, suppression of our citizens right to vote is unfair. True. However, just as contributing our voice through voting is important, I think it is also important to offer our voice in these matters that can affect us. If we do not, we have only ourselves to blame.

Well intentioned people in positions of authority may have a focused goal to improve emissions. That is a worthy cause. However, low or no impact scenarios like ours can be affected because of the EPA being unaware of these consequences. I am not talking big money lobbyists. I am talking racers just like us.

For example, imagine if you hired an accountant to secure your children's inheritance and gave them full authority over your assets to complete this one, defined mission.

You would wake up and find your entire racing operation and many other quality of life activities that are clearly not needed to be divested.

Now, it isn't that accountants are bad people. They only fulfilled the mission under the ground.rules they were given. (Which was none in my example).

So, you find out all of the fun stuff you had in life, your race car and all supporting equipment was long gone.
When you confront the accountant to ask why in the @!#- he did that, he would only say "sorry, I didn't know"

All I can say is that this scenario would cut across any political spectrum. I would encourage thoughtful and productive communication to your representatives.

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Not that I expect you to read it:

http://www.nationalmemo.com/pennsylv...c-vote-in-2012

and

Passing laws that reduce polling stations and hours of operation is blatant voter suppression. There is nothing funny about voting. It is a serious matter.

Edit: cellphone issues with links. Google voter suppression - especially in PA.

[jsr1485]

This is the meat of the whole problem they tried to slip this past us.
The EPA is proposing regulation that will have a broad impact on the aftermarket/performance automotive industry in this country. Hidden in the proposal which is titled Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Fuel Efficiency Standards for Medium and Heavy-Duty Engines and Vehicles; Phase 2
There is a section that drives at the heart of a long standing American culture, this being the modification of cars for off-road and competition use. I find it very dishonest to title a proposal for Medium and Heavy Duty eninges and then slip in something that will impact a great many people under this guise. Here is the paragraph I'm referring to

67. Section 86.1854-12 is amended by adding paragraph (b)(5) to read as follows: _ 86.1854-12 Prohibited acts. * * * * * (b) * * * (5) Certified motor vehicles and motor vehicle engines and their emission control devices must remain in their certified configuration even if they are used solely for competition or if they become nonroad vehicles or engines; anyone modifying a certified motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine for any reason is subject to the tampering and defeat device prohibitions of paragraph (a)(3) of this section and 42 U.S.C. 7522(a)(3).

[davidhuff]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Not that I expect you to read it:

http://www.nationalmemo.com/pennsylv...c-vote-in-2012

and

Passing laws that reduce polling stations and hours of operation is blatant voter suppression. There is nothing funny about voting. It is a serious matter.

Edit: cellphone issues with links. Google voter suppression - especially in PA.

Give me a break the days of Poll Taxes and Literacy Test are a thing of the past.Get a copy of your Birth Certificate or US Passport showing you are a US Citizen,register to vote in your state and go vote.Why do people like you keep bringing up the past and you know dam well if you are a us citizen and want to vote you can.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by davidhuff

Give me a break the days of Poll Taxes and Literacy Test are a thing of the past.Get a copy of your Birth Certificate or US Passport showing you are a US Citizen and go vote.I did that and it was dam easy to do.

No, you don't get a break. Nice try though. Nobody said anything about poll taxes. Shutting down and/or restricting access to polling stations is a stab at the heart of the USA.

Jim, we moved from the apples to the orange basket. I absolutely agree that we have the right to speak out about any issue. My point is that I don't buy into all this draconian BS that some of these guys are floating out here.

[Dwight Southerland]

Bruce, probably your side of the argument would be represented better if you would lay off the ad hominem references. Nobody appreciates being addressed as "conspiracy theory wing nuts" or their fears and beliefs as "draconian BS" or talked down to. There is very real concern when authorities with no oversight have the full force of the government when making rules an regulations that affect real people's lives with no recourse. There are 57 commercial fishermen and three private marinas in Arkansas that are being threatened with fines and jail time if they do not cease their operations due to the EPA ruling that was handed down last year. You may be correct that the EPA would not enforce the regulation as it is written, but the fact is that they could and we would have no recourse. We might then mount an objection and fight to overturn the regulation, but it would be after many, many people would be affected. It's like the IRS bringing charges against you for tax violations, you may be innocent and be able to prove it, but the legal costs and loss of revenue during the fight would be devastating. The IRS is simply going to say "sorry" and you have no recourse for compensation.

[davidhuff]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

No, you don't get a break. Nice try though. Nobody said anything about poll taxes. Shutting down and/or restricting access to polling stations is a stab at the heart of the USA.

Jim, we moved from the apples to the orange basket. I absolutely agree that we have the right to speak out about any issue. My point is that I don't buy into all this draconian BS that some of these guys are floating out here.

OK Bruce,give me your liberal view on how people are being denied to vote and I will tell you how to solve it 100%.Most states will accept up to 10 different photo ID at polling stations if you are a registered voter.Stop spreading this liberal crap how people are being denied to vote.

[CMcAllister]

Another take on the subject at hand.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/epas-...e-aftermarket/

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by davidhuff

OK Bruce,give me your liberal view on how people are being denied to vote and I will tell you how to solve it 100%.Most states will accept up to 10 different photo ID at polling stations if you are a registered voter.Stop spreading this liberal crap how people are being denied to vote.

You can't come to terms with the shut down polling stations can you? It isn't always about ID's although they have proven hard to get for some elderly folks who have voted all their lives and have no ID's.
Dwight, I think I know a thing or two about be roughed up out here so don't lecture me.