Wow I Can Use A 3Spd

tim worner · 12-07-2007, 10:46 AM

Who has been wishing for a 3spd. Not me, not any of the racers I have talked to about this new rule change, How did this change come about and why? I never saw anything to "vote" on about a transmission change. Who makes these changes without racer input. I would consider this a major performance change in s/s eliminator. What about the racers who can't afford to make the change? Do thay just sit back and take a big negative performance hit? My original question was why was the change made. It certainly wasn't because a few people "complained". How about giving the racers who want to continue using the glide a 100lb weight break. The reacers I talked to that now have a 3spd sure did'nt want to see this new rule. So why was it done and who did it?

Jeff Lee · 12-07-2007, 10:52 AM

I've seen reference to allowing 3 speeds in lieu of 2 speeds (auto), lifting the requirement that cars race with the OEM mandated tranny only (i.e, '68 Z-28 allowed an auto trans) and also combining sticks and auto's for the better part of a year, if ot 2 years on this forum. Guess you need to take it seriously when you see something brought up!

Stk4405 · 12-07-2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tim worner

How about giving the racers who want to continue using the glide a 100lb weight break.

Sounds like a good idea. I should have built a bracket car with a 383 chevy motor in a ford mustang body with a mopar transmission. With all these rules changes, it would be legal S/S car in about 2 years.

Randall Klein · 12-07-2007, 12:42 PM

Well, this fell out of the sky with little or no discussion...I had heard some GT guys were lobbying for three speeds but I do not think any of the traditional SS guys had. I could be wrong. I got a call from Marv Ripes about three weeks ago asking if I had thought about it...I told him I own 4 PG's and I'm not changing for the basic reason that I want to race a car that was similar to what was built, even though we have some items that have superceded factory original, but this is going too far in my opinion. Add in the extra cost and AHFS "limits" on how fast you can go, and no thanks....where oh where is Farmer when we need him? I'd rather have 2 or 3 dictatorial passionate Class techs/rules makers/HP cops than this everychanging mush we have currently.....

Crew Chief · 12-07-2007, 01:18 PM

Can anyone estimate what the total cost of the changeover will wind up being when top of the line 3-speed tranny, different convertor, new camshaft, and testing are figured in?

It would have been simpler (and a lot cheaper) to take 5 horsepower off the engines that use a powerglide. But then that would have been using good judgement.

Jeff Teuton · 12-07-2007, 01:35 PM

I think the request were from GT folks, although I don't know who. There was also talk about a 4 speed manual for the 55/56 Chevy. I had asked for Auto's for the Viper, ZO6, Z28, and any other combo that was 'manual only' as the 427 vetts have already. I guess the glide/3 speed is the only thing that passed.

Lynn A McCarty · 12-07-2007, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tim worner,

It certainly wasn't because a few people "complained". How about giving the racers who want to continue using the glide a 100lb weight break.

Tim,

A good idea, however, I think you have that backwards. Why not add 100lbs to the guys because of the performance enhancement instead of getting an advantage given away for free? Did they deserve this enhancement based on what? AHFS?

These are the give aways that make no rational sense.

Lynn

Mark Yacavone · 12-07-2007, 01:53 PM

....and no raising of the ceiling on the AHFS. No lopping off of the ridiculously soft indexes at the bottom.
Welcome to Bracket II

bsa633 · 12-07-2007, 02:22 PM

the car that Q no 1 at fontana now gets to use a 3 -speed also...sounds fair...hmm

tim worner · 12-07-2007, 02:27 PM

You can use a aftermarket head but get wacked some hp. The same should be for the use of a 3spd. In answer to the cost between 5-6grand I would think.

12-07-2007, 10:46 AM	#1
tim worner Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: duncannon Posts: 837 Likes: 14 Liked 126 Times in 20 Posts	Re: Wow I Can Use A 3Spd Who has been wishing for a 3spd. Not me, not any of the racers I have talked to about this new rule change, How did this change come about and why? I never saw anything to "vote" on about a transmission change. Who makes these changes without racer input. I would consider this a major performance change in s/s eliminator. What about the racers who can't afford to make the change? Do thay just sit back and take a big negative performance hit? My original question was why was the change made. It certainly wasn't because a few people "complained". How about giving the racers who want to continue using the glide a 100lb weight break. The reacers I talked to that now have a 3spd sure did'nt want to see this new rule. So why was it done and who did it? __________________ Tim Worner SS 1747

12-07-2007, 10:52 AM	#2
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Wow I Can Use A 3Spd I've seen reference to allowing 3 speeds in lieu of 2 speeds (auto), lifting the requirement that cars race with the OEM mandated tranny only (i.e, '68 Z-28 allowed an auto trans) and also combining sticks and auto's for the better part of a year, if ot 2 years on this forum. Guess you need to take it seriously when you see something brought up! __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

12-07-2007, 12:42 PM	#4
Randall Klein Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska Posts: 785 Likes: 45 Liked 316 Times in 67 Posts	Re: Wow I Can Use A 3Spd Well, this fell out of the sky with little or no discussion...I had heard some GT guys were lobbying for three speeds but I do not think any of the traditional SS guys had. I could be wrong. I got a call from Marv Ripes about three weeks ago asking if I had thought about it...I told him I own 4 PG's and I'm not changing for the basic reason that I want to race a car that was similar to what was built, even though we have some items that have superceded factory original, but this is going too far in my opinion. Add in the extra cost and AHFS "limits" on how fast you can go, and no thanks....where oh where is Farmer when we need him? I'd rather have 2 or 3 dictatorial passionate Class techs/rules makers/HP cops than this everychanging mush we have currently.....

12-07-2007, 01:18 PM	#5
Crew Chief Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 184 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Wow I Can Use A 3Spd Can anyone estimate what the total cost of the changeover will wind up being when top of the line 3-speed tranny, different convertor, new camshaft, and testing are figured in? It would have been simpler (and a lot cheaper) to take 5 horsepower off the engines that use a powerglide. But then that would have been using good judgement.

12-07-2007, 01:35 PM	#6
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Wow I Can Use A 3Spd I think the request were from GT folks, although I don't know who. There was also talk about a 4 speed manual for the 55/56 Chevy. I had asked for Auto's for the Viper, ZO6, Z28, and any other combo that was 'manual only' as the 427 vetts have already. I guess the glide/3 speed is the only thing that passed. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

12-07-2007, 01:53 PM	#8
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,815 Likes: 2,904 Liked 5,121 Times in 1,952 Posts	Re: Wow I Can Use A 3Spd ....and no raising of the ceiling on the AHFS. No lopping off of the ridiculously soft indexes at the bottom. Welcome to Bracket II __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

12-07-2007, 02:22 PM	#9
bsa633 Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 310 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Wow I Can Use A 3Spd the car that Q no 1 at fontana now gets to use a 3 -speed also...sounds fair...hmm

12-07-2007, 02:27 PM	#10
tim worner Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: duncannon Posts: 837 Likes: 14 Liked 126 Times in 20 Posts	Re: Wow I Can Use A 3Spd You can use a aftermarket head but get wacked some hp. The same should be for the use of a 3spd. In answer to the cost between 5-6grand I would think. __________________ Tim Worner SS 1747