Unfair Advantage

John Kelley · 12-12-2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LS14gezr

I read with interest the thread re: “no more blockers”. Contained in that thread was a reference to infrared tree readers and optical matty boxes. Do such devices actually exist?

Go to Summit's Drag Central and check out the Moroso Five Day. Check out the reaction times.....nobody is consistently that good !! There are "tree readers"..................

The Hawk · 12-12-2007, 09:10 PM

Well John,I disagree with you. I`ve had days in the dragster I drive,where I`ve gone 7 rounds and only had 2 lights that weren`t double oh,and they were in the teens and I don`t have any of that fancy high tech ****,just a cheap cross over delay box. It is posible,and those guy`s are a hell of a lot better high dollar racers than I am. A lot of those racers are at those races are there because it`s their job,and they have to be good. With delay boxes,it`s quite a bit easier to string together double oh after double oh,it all just depends on what you`re willing to risk with going red. Lane

LouisJeffery · 12-12-2007, 09:14 PM

Where can I buy this equipment? Sounds great. Can you hide it on a Stocker? Does it require a trans brake?

Michael Beard · 12-12-2007, 09:36 PM

>> Check out the reaction times.....nobody is consistently that good !!

I averaged an .017 light, double-entered for three days at Piedmont's Footbrake Nationals, and it was worthless against the competition. I should HOPE that someone with a delay box would be better than that.

Concentrating on improving your reaction times and finish line driving are going to get you a lot further than worrying about somebody cheating.

John Kelley · 12-12-2007, 10:10 PM

Too many lights from .000-.008..........at Moroso.........

Michael Beard · 12-12-2007, 10:58 PM

I understand that there's a difference between a practice tree and real life, but there's also a big difference between bottom-bulbing and a delay box. I've held a .007 average for 100 runs on a practice tree before, off the bottom. I should HOPE that a group of the best racers in the country should be able to do it for a handful of runs with a delay box!

tgriffith · 12-12-2007, 11:59 PM

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Keith 944 · 12-13-2007, 12:09 AM

i have photo cells and sensors attached to the front end of my car, the photocells are great for nighttime but if someone takes a picture of my car it will take off! the track sensors tell me when to hit the brakes at what point on the track, i can also have this attached to my throttle stop when activated at half track to slow me down or pick me up a few if needed. shoot i don't even drive the car anymore, i just wave to all my freinds in the bleachers as i am going down track. can't tell ya how much it cost cause i built it all myself from old microwaves and radioshack parts. and i will not sell them, why would i want anyone to beat me with my own stuff? unless.... we split all the $ beforehand.
Honestly, i do believe some cheat, but i also believe anyone can be beat!
myself, i have a full sized tree at home, practice . and i also judge cars going down the highway just pick a point, see if ya can close it up. not drastic, but i do lift or speed up. oh yea, seat time! some of these guys race 3 times a week or more, and they still screw up every now and then, we all do! i was at moroso this year, there was a drastic dropoff of the car count. but if you don't go you have NO chance of winning!

12-12-2007, 09:10 PM	#2
The Hawk VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Littleton,Colorado Posts: 1,194 Likes: 0 Liked 249 Times in 109 Posts	Re: Unfair Advantage Well John,I disagree with you. I`ve had days in the dragster I drive,where I`ve gone 7 rounds and only had 2 lights that weren`t double oh,and they were in the teens and I don`t have any of that fancy high tech ****,just a cheap cross over delay box. It is posible,and those guy`s are a hell of a lot better high dollar racers than I am. A lot of those racers are at those races are there because it`s their job,and they have to be good. With delay boxes,it`s quite a bit easier to string together double oh after double oh,it all just depends on what you`re willing to risk with going red. Lane __________________ Lane Weber It`s Not What You Drive That Wins....It`s How You Drive It

12-12-2007, 09:14 PM	#3
LouisJeffery Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Detroit Posts: 53 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Unfair Advantage Where can I buy this equipment? Sounds great. Can you hide it on a Stocker? Does it require a trans brake? __________________ Louis Jeffery 3225 STK

12-12-2007, 09:36 PM	#4
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Unfair Advantage >> Check out the reaction times.....nobody is consistently that good !! I averaged an .017 light, double-entered for three days at Piedmont's Footbrake Nationals, and it was worthless against the competition. I should HOPE that someone with a delay box would be better than that. Concentrating on improving your reaction times and finish line driving are going to get you a lot further than worrying about somebody cheating. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

12-12-2007, 10:10 PM	#5
John Kelley Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tightwad,TEXAS Posts: 911 Likes: 6 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Unfair Advantage Too many lights from .000-.008..........at Moroso.........

12-12-2007, 10:58 PM	#6
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Unfair Advantage I understand that there's a difference between a practice tree and real life, but there's also a big difference between bottom-bulbing and a delay box. I've held a .007 average for 100 runs on a practice tree before, off the bottom. I should HOPE that a group of the best racers in the country should be able to do it for a handful of runs with a delay box! __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

12-12-2007, 11:59 PM	#7
tgriffith Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 187 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Unfair Advantage ... Last edited by tgriffith; 12-13-2007 at 09:13 AM.

12-13-2007, 12:09 AM	#8
Keith 944 VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Dela-where? Posts: 2,196 Likes: 1,163 Liked 1,886 Times in 579 Posts	Re: Unfair Advantage i have photo cells and sensors attached to the front end of my car, the photocells are great for nighttime but if someone takes a picture of my car it will take off! the track sensors tell me when to hit the brakes at what point on the track, i can also have this attached to my throttle stop when activated at half track to slow me down or pick me up a few if needed. shoot i don't even drive the car anymore, i just wave to all my freinds in the bleachers as i am going down track. can't tell ya how much it cost cause i built it all myself from old microwaves and radioshack parts. and i will not sell them, why would i want anyone to beat me with my own stuff? unless.... we split all the $ beforehand. Honestly, i do believe some cheat, but i also believe anyone can be beat! myself, i have a full sized tree at home, practice . and i also judge cars going down the highway just pick a point, see if ya can close it up. not drastic, but i do lift or speed up. oh yea, seat time! some of these guys race 3 times a week or more, and they still screw up every now and then, we all do! i was at moroso this year, there was a drastic dropoff of the car count. but if you don't go you have NO chance of winning!