EPA-Its not over yet

Dwight Southerland · 06-07-2016, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Kenny asked us to stay out if the political stuff, but I guess you can't help yourself!

I didn't know that was a political statement; I was just stating facts.

Bruce Noland · 06-07-2016, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

I didn't know that was a political statement; I was just stating facts.

Can you please provide the facts - with links? And not more of your imaginary political gibberish.

Adger Smith · 06-07-2016, 11:23 AM

I don't know about Dwight's statement of Trips vs Drag racing, but there is plenty of links about the trips and their carbon footprint impact as well as their cost to the tax payer.
just a real quick search of : Obama's jet trips vs pollution
The following 4 are just quick copy and past of a pretty good list.
OH, it's on the internet so it has to be the truth and factual.
Using a little thought and looking at some of the data "Out There" I would have to say what Dwight said is plausible.
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/was...00-gallon-trip

http://dailycaller.com/2015/04/22/ob...th-day-flight/

http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/04/1...nt-41000-tons/

http://freebeacon.com/issues/obama-e...does-annually/

This may not be Myth busters, but..... There is one thing I will say and back it up with a link: The EPA is on the wrong track with the ruling about converting cars to race cars and pollution.. Racing causes way less pollution than the aircraft industry.
http://www.yaleclimateconnections.or...ng-vs-driving/

impstocker · 06-07-2016, 01:07 PM

Sorry about the "non-political" stuff, but I can understand it. Should I delete this part of my post?

MY REPLY

Thank you for your reply. I just see it as another over reach of the Federal Goverment and over regulation. The EPA needs to go.

Maybe Mr trump can win NY State this time.

William Lamprecht

Bruce Noland · 06-07-2016, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adger Smith

I don't know about Dwight's statement of Trips vs Drag racing, but there is plenty of links about the trips and their carbon footprint impact as well as their cost to the tax payer.
just a real quick search of : Obama's jet trips vs pollution
The following 4 are just quick copy and past of a pretty good list.
OH, it's on the internet so it has to be the truth and factual.
Using a little thought and looking at some of the data "Out There" I would have to say what Dwight said is plausible.
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/was...00-gallon-trip

http://dailycaller.com/2015/04/22/ob...th-day-flight/

http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/04/1...nt-41000-tons/

http://freebeacon.com/issues/obama-e...does-annually/

This may not be Myth busters, but..... There is one thing I will say and back it up with a link: The EPA is on the wrong track with the ruling about converting cars to race cars and pollution.. Racing causes way less pollution than the aircraft industry.
http://www.yaleclimateconnections.or...ng-vs-driving/

All three are hard right wing sources and according to you with "plausible" information which is far from fact. And nobody knows how many tons of pollutants are released each year because of drag racing. This vacation dig is just another cheap shot by a guy who is sitting around waiting for his check each month.

Dwight Southerland · 06-07-2016, 06:59 PM

Based on gallons of fuel consumed. Some of the NHRA race data is a bit of an estimate since the access to accurate information is not available. But enough is available to make a reasonable estimate and it is not anywhere close to the amount of fuel consumed by the three jets in the presidential entourage that goes to Hawaii each year.

So, Bruce, "hard right wing" sources presumes inaccurate information? Only "hard left wing" sources count? Or is there truly unbiased information available? Care to point them out?

"This vacation dig is just another cheap shot by a guy who is sitting around waiting for his check each month." Totally uncalled for, Brucey. First of all, it was not a dig, but a statement of fact for a perspective that is worthy of consideration. Secondly, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHO I AM OR WHAT I DO, so your little cheap shot is not accurate and if it is reflection of your character, then it is a building block for a less than admirable reputation. Nobody has presented false and cheap ad hominem attacks against you, so what's your beef that you feel the need to be so tacky?

Bruce Noland · 06-07-2016, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

Based on gallons of fuel consumed. Some of the NHRA race data is a bit of an estimate since the access to accurate information is not available. But enough is available to make a reasonable estimate and it is not anywhere close to the amount of fuel consumed by the three jets in the presidential entourage that goes to Hawaii each year.

So, Bruce, "hard right wing" sources presumes inaccurate information? Only "hard left wing" sources count? Or is there truly unbiased information available? Care to point them out?

"This vacation dig is just another cheap shot by a guy who is sitting around waiting for his check each month." Totally uncalled for, Brucey. First of all, it was not a dig, but a statement of fact for a perspective that is worthy of consideration. Secondly, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHO I AM OR WHAT I DO, so your little cheap shot is not accurate and if it is reflection of your character, then it is a building block for a less than admirable reputation. Nobody has presented false and cheap ad hominem attacks against you, so what's your beef that you feel the need to be so tacky?

Guesstimates are not facts there hot shot. And have no basis in reality. Go get some really straight numbers. But, since we are not talking politics, let's use Bush's 80 trips to his ranch during his presidency. Let me know when you get something solid that we can chew on. Remember this is your baby - so back it up.

Dwight Southerland · 06-07-2016, 10:36 PM

Well, Bruce, you sure are funny. Who said this is a Democrat vs. Republican thing? Who said anything about Bush? You sure are touchy for no reason.

The calcs go like this:
According to the Boeing web site stats, a 747 uses approximately 5 gallons of fuel per mile. On a full trip, you have to add an additional 1800 to 2300 gallons for the takeoff acceleration and taxi time. The air miles from Washington, DC to Hawaii is 4762 miles. That calculates to 4762 * 5 + approx. 2000 or 25810 gallons of fuel one way, or 51,620 gallons round trip. The last two vacations included three 747s for the secret service and White House entourage. So that calculates to 154,860 gallons of fuel.

Let's say that an average of 500 sportsman level cars participate at each of NHRA's 23 national events and that the cars each average 5 runs per event. That's a total of 57500 runs for the season. I would say that it is generous to say that a gallon of fuel is used on each run and that is a total of 57,500 gallons. Then let's say that an average of 250 sportsman cars participate at each of NHRA's 42 LODRS races and that each of them averages 5 runs per race. Than is a total of 52,500 gallons of fuel. The total for the season then, is 57,500 + 52,500 or 110,000 gallons. Hhmmmmm . . . Which is the larger number? Now, you can argue about my estimates and assumptions for racer participation, but I do not think I have selected numbers that are particularly skewed to make my statements have credibility. And what if the President takes TWO vacations?!? Heaven, forbid!

Incidentally, I am just as critical of all the brands, levels and persuasions of politicians in office. It's just that some are easier to fault than others because they are so smugly snide about their self righteousness.

06-07-2016, 11:23 AM	#3
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,446 Likes: 575 Liked 880 Times in 311 Posts	Re: EPA-Its not over yet I don't know about Dwight's statement of Trips vs Drag racing, but there is plenty of links about the trips and their carbon footprint impact as well as their cost to the tax payer. just a real quick search of : Obama's jet trips vs pollution The following 4 are just quick copy and past of a pretty good list. OH, it's on the internet so it has to be the truth and factual. Using a little thought and looking at some of the data "Out There" I would have to say what Dwight said is plausible. http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/was...00-gallon-trip http://dailycaller.com/2015/04/22/ob...th-day-flight/ http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/04/1...nt-41000-tons/ http://freebeacon.com/issues/obama-e...does-annually/ This may not be Myth busters, but..... There is one thing I will say and back it up with a link: The EPA is on the wrong track with the ruling about converting cars to race cars and pollution.. Racing causes way less pollution than the aircraft industry. http://www.yaleclimateconnections.or...ng-vs-driving/ __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS)

06-07-2016, 01:07 PM	#4
impstocker Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Wingdale, NY Posts: 302 Likes: 27 Liked 53 Times in 16 Posts	Re: EPA-Its not over yet Sorry about the "non-political" stuff, but I can understand it. Should I delete this part of my post? MY REPLY Thank you for your reply. I just see it as another over reach of the Federal Goverment and over regulation. The EPA needs to go. Maybe Mr trump can win NY State this time. William Lamprecht

06-07-2016, 06:59 PM	#6
Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 2,001 Likes: 64 Liked 780 Times in 194 Posts	Re: EPA-Its not over yet Based on gallons of fuel consumed. Some of the NHRA race data is a bit of an estimate since the access to accurate information is not available. But enough is available to make a reasonable estimate and it is not anywhere close to the amount of fuel consumed by the three jets in the presidential entourage that goes to Hawaii each year. So, Bruce, "hard right wing" sources presumes inaccurate information? Only "hard left wing" sources count? Or is there truly unbiased information available? Care to point them out? "This vacation dig is just another cheap shot by a guy who is sitting around waiting for his check each month." Totally uncalled for, Brucey. First of all, it was not a dig, but a statement of fact for a perspective that is worthy of consideration. Secondly, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHO I AM OR WHAT I DO, so your little cheap shot is not accurate and if it is reflection of your character, then it is a building block for a less than admirable reputation. Nobody has presented false and cheap ad hominem attacks against you, so what's your beef that you feel the need to be so tacky? __________________

06-07-2016, 10:36 PM	#8
Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 2,001 Likes: 64 Liked 780 Times in 194 Posts	Re: EPA-Its not over yet Well, Bruce, you sure are funny. Who said this is a Democrat vs. Republican thing? Who said anything about Bush? You sure are touchy for no reason. The calcs go like this: According to the Boeing web site stats, a 747 uses approximately 5 gallons of fuel per mile. On a full trip, you have to add an additional 1800 to 2300 gallons for the takeoff acceleration and taxi time. The air miles from Washington, DC to Hawaii is 4762 miles. That calculates to 4762 * 5 + approx. 2000 or 25810 gallons of fuel one way, or 51,620 gallons round trip. The last two vacations included three 747s for the secret service and White House entourage. So that calculates to 154,860 gallons of fuel. Let's say that an average of 500 sportsman level cars participate at each of NHRA's 23 national events and that the cars each average 5 runs per event. That's a total of 57500 runs for the season. I would say that it is generous to say that a gallon of fuel is used on each run and that is a total of 57,500 gallons. Then let's say that an average of 250 sportsman cars participate at each of NHRA's 42 LODRS races and that each of them averages 5 runs per race. Than is a total of 52,500 gallons of fuel. The total for the season then, is 57,500 + 52,500 or 110,000 gallons. Hhmmmmm . . . Which is the larger number? Now, you can argue about my estimates and assumptions for racer participation, but I do not think I have selected numbers that are particularly skewed to make my statements have credibility. And what if the President takes TWO vacations?!? Heaven, forbid! Incidentally, I am just as critical of all the brands, levels and persuasions of politicians in office. It's just that some are easier to fault than others because they are so smugly snide about their self righteousness. __________________ Last edited by Dwight Southerland; 06-07-2016 at 10:38 PM.