Has anyone changed their mind about AA/SA index? - Page 8

Another Friendly Racer · 06-09-2016, 11:08 AM

The AA index is wrong. Simple as that. It could be one of the most exciting classes in stock, but few want to run the class because of the index. I believe this index was made because of the insanely fast supercharged fords a few years back. It's time for NHRA to do the right thing and put this index at 10.80, where someone really fast has a shot at qualify for Indy running AA.

Jeff Teuton · 06-09-2016, 06:42 PM

Jimbo, they ain't paper, I got one just for you white in color, just heavy. On a serious note, it would be interesting to have them. Need a 7 lb class in stock, and the 10.60 is a little rough. Looking at B in relation to A, it should be 10.75, looking at the relation to most other classes, there is a .15 per class, which would indicate 10.85. 10.80 is the split. You want me to work on that? Cost is high. Maybe 3 cases at Indy. I got what you need, a 4.150 crank and might have pistons. That would cure that problem..... Another 3 cases It's a really good crank, maybe 4 cases.

Jim Bailey · 06-10-2016, 09:17 AM

Mr. Jeff: any help is worth a case or 3. With over 15,000 views there must be some interest. My thought is the index should be 10.75 / 10.70. That tenth would help a bunch, without taking away the challenge to work on our stuff and make it faster. "IF" the West Coast hitters traveled east of the Mississippi often, they'd be begging for it too. Keep in mind it's been almost three years and no AA/Stocker has been a second under in NHRA competition. Not one HP strike ....AND that's running in some pretty good conditions! An index change is the only way to grow the class, and get some of the guys hiding in A to come and play!

Jeff Teuton · 06-10-2016, 11:44 AM

I will make a proposal. I don't think 10.70 is much help. I think a proposal for next year should include the index @ 10.80 for AA (or a new name or something like that) and 10.60 or something for AAA (or a new name) based on a 7 lb per factored hp. I mean lets face it, the new showroom cars are coming. Mopar will probably build the ADR Hellcat which is a Challenger with the Hellcat motor, lightweight tires (in the trunk) and DOT tires on the car, room for big drag radials, optional cage, no rear seat, and many other items. The car has already been to the new car show for dealers and is a topic around Detroit with both Dodge brand sales and Mopar Performance. And we are certainly not the only manufacturer doing this. This kind of interest is good for the industry and drag racing as a whole.

Mike Keener · 06-12-2016, 07:03 PM

No doubt about it. Jeff is correct on every point he has just stated above (except 3 cases is too cheap) and I'm reasonably confident that something will be done about the AA index-and soon.

jimi · 06-13-2016, 04:24 PM

I was opposed to changing it but after looking at all the sides and opinions posted it really is nessecary to atleast make the present "AA" index 10.80.
I think what is really nessecary is a 7.0# weight break for "AA" 10.60 index and 7.5# for "BB" 10.80 index.

Grey Ghost · 06-13-2016, 10:16 PM

If NHRA would do a AA shootout, auto and stick combined, like the SS/AH shootout I believe there would be a lot of cars show from coast to coast. Run them back to back with the AH cars.

Indy at one time was a showcase for ALL classes. Class winners including singles made the show. I believe it needs to return to that format. If you win your class and run at least .500 under, which is good enough to qualify for a record, you are in. The $30k motors can fill out the field.

Why are AA/S and AA/SA records still open??? I've witnessed several passes in the 9.70's

holben · 06-13-2016, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Yes, I forgot K and L were close together. The rest are all .15 apart. I don't know why K and L are so close.

K and L have been like that for years and there has never been a reasonable explanation for the disparity. We tried to get it changed as far back as 1983 but no dice.

Tom P · 06-15-2016, 04:08 PM

Wouldn't this ADR Challenger be in a Factory Stock class?

Jeff Teuton · 06-15-2016, 04:21 PM

The ADR is a showroom car (or will be when produced). It is the same platform as the Hellcat and is part of that family. I guess kinda like the Superbirds and Daytonas in 69 and 70 as opposed to the Drag Packs of new and the Hemi Cudas and Hemi Darts of 68. The Hellcat motor has substantially less hp than the new DP Blown car.

06-09-2016, 11:08 AM	#71
Another Friendly Racer Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 152 Likes: 0 Liked 19 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Has anyone changed their mind about AA/SA index? The AA index is wrong. Simple as that. It could be one of the most exciting classes in stock, but few want to run the class because of the index. I believe this index was made because of the insanely fast supercharged fords a few years back. It's time for NHRA to do the right thing and put this index at 10.80, where someone really fast has a shot at qualify for Indy running AA.

06-09-2016, 06:42 PM	#72
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Has anyone changed their mind about AA/SA index? Jimbo, they ain't paper, I got one just for you white in color, just heavy. On a serious note, it would be interesting to have them. Need a 7 lb class in stock, and the 10.60 is a little rough. Looking at B in relation to A, it should be 10.75, looking at the relation to most other classes, there is a .15 per class, which would indicate 10.85. 10.80 is the split. You want me to work on that? Cost is high. Maybe 3 cases at Indy. I got what you need, a 4.150 crank and might have pistons. That would cure that problem..... Another 3 cases It's a really good crank, maybe 4 cases. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK Last edited by Jeff Teuton; 06-09-2016 at 06:53 PM. Reason: Advice for Jim

06-10-2016, 09:17 AM	#73
Jim Bailey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 674 Likes: 15 Liked 584 Times in 94 Posts	Re: Has anyone changed their mind about AA/SA index? Mr. Jeff: any help is worth a case or 3. With over 15,000 views there must be some interest. My thought is the index should be 10.75 / 10.70. That tenth would help a bunch, without taking away the challenge to work on our stuff and make it faster. "IF" the West Coast hitters traveled east of the Mississippi often, they'd be begging for it too. Keep in mind it's been almost three years and no AA/Stocker has been a second under in NHRA competition. Not one HP strike ....AND that's running in some pretty good conditions! An index change is the only way to grow the class, and get some of the guys hiding in A to come and play!

06-10-2016, 11:44 AM	#74
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Has anyone changed their mind about AA/SA index? I will make a proposal. I don't think 10.70 is much help. I think a proposal for next year should include the index @ 10.80 for AA (or a new name or something like that) and 10.60 or something for AAA (or a new name) based on a 7 lb per factored hp. I mean lets face it, the new showroom cars are coming. Mopar will probably build the ADR Hellcat which is a Challenger with the Hellcat motor, lightweight tires (in the trunk) and DOT tires on the car, room for big drag radials, optional cage, no rear seat, and many other items. The car has already been to the new car show for dealers and is a topic around Detroit with both Dodge brand sales and Mopar Performance. And we are certainly not the only manufacturer doing this. This kind of interest is good for the industry and drag racing as a whole. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

06-12-2016, 07:03 PM	#75
Mike Keener Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 294 Likes: 102 Liked 24 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Has anyone changed their mind about AA/SA index? No doubt about it. Jeff is correct on every point he has just stated above (except 3 cases is too cheap) and I'm reasonably confident that something will be done about the AA index-and soon. __________________ Mike Keener A/S B/S C/SM

06-13-2016, 04:24 PM	#76
jimi Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: usa Posts: 239 Likes: 7 Liked 21 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Has anyone changed their mind about AA/SA index? I was opposed to changing it but after looking at all the sides and opinions posted it really is nessecary to atleast make the present "AA" index 10.80. I think what is really nessecary is a 7.0# weight break for "AA" 10.60 index and 7.5# for "BB" 10.80 index.

06-13-2016, 10:16 PM	#77
Grey Ghost Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Iowa Posts: 209 Likes: 422 Liked 210 Times in 88 Posts	Re: Has anyone changed their mind about AA/SA index? If NHRA would do a AA shootout, auto and stick combined, like the SS/AH shootout I believe there would be a lot of cars show from coast to coast. Run them back to back with the AH cars. Indy at one time was a showcase for ALL classes. Class winners including singles made the show. I believe it needs to return to that format. If you win your class and run at least .500 under, which is good enough to qualify for a record, you are in. The $30k motors can fill out the field. Why are AA/S and AA/SA records still open??? I've witnessed several passes in the 9.70's

06-15-2016, 04:08 PM	#79
Tom P Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 707 Likes: 30 Liked 239 Times in 94 Posts	Re: Has anyone changed their mind about AA/SA index? Wouldn't this ADR Challenger be in a Factory Stock class?

06-15-2016, 04:21 PM	#80
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Has anyone changed their mind about AA/SA index? The ADR is a showroom car (or will be when produced). It is the same platform as the Hellcat and is part of that family. I guess kinda like the Superbirds and Daytonas in 69 and 70 as opposed to the Drag Packs of new and the Hemi Cudas and Hemi Darts of 68. The Hellcat motor has substantially less hp than the new DP Blown car. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK