Has anyone changed their mind about AA/SA index?

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Tom Moock

Joseph, You didn't answer my question, Does Jeff`s car have stock control arms per rules for production cars that came with indep. rear end & changed to straight axle? Tom

The NHRA allows the drag pack, COPO, and Cobra Jet suspension for the 2008 up production based combinations.

[Bobby DiDomenico]

Originally Posted by GUMP

The NHRA allows the drag pack, COPO, and Cobra Jet suspension for the 2008 up production based combinations.

Interesting, I would never, ever, have expected that. Had a long conversation with another stock eliminator racer a few years back when the new cars were coming in with essentially 4 link suspensions to compete against cars with 1950's leaf or coil spring suspensions. His feelings were non-stock suspension meant Super Stock.
I'm sure all the folks with the new cars feel otherwise. Does anyone know why NHRA allowed these cars into Stock versus placing them into Super Stock? I was asked that just last week at a cruise night.

[Jim Bailey]

Doug Duell took a showroom stock Challenger and built the first A/SA " new car". NHRA checked the car from top to bottom before it was approved. Travis had it up on jack stands with the wheels and tires off, making sure it had the Factory components and that the suspension mods where legal according to the NHRA rule book. Many photos were taken . ( feel free to correct me if I'm miss informed ). Friends, those days are over. NHRA has approved the use of the factory built race cars - Copos, Drag Pacs and Cobra Jets with the use of an approved showroom engine combos for traditional stock eliminator. They may have to conform to "some" of the rules, like the correct hood. But they're legal per NHRA - As I said earlier, tuff pill to swallow for the old timers. But get use to it, they're here to stay and there's more coming. Correcting, and having the correct index for your class is the only chance the old combos have. Bottom line is Jeff's car is a Drag Pac Challenger and its legal per NHRA. End of story. I'm gonna race!

[GUMP]

It is not my belief that the four link was done to spite anyone or to gain an advantage. It is just a reality that the way the newer independent rear suspensions are configured does not allow for a workable solid axle conversion. The GTO's and Corvette's have been allowed to run torque arms, etc. for quite some time, so this is nothing new. When I started working on my BIW Camaro in 2010, I sent photo's to GM of a torque arm under the car. I got no response. When the 2012 COPO prototype was at the PRI I asked the NHRA if that would be legal for Stock Eliminator. They said yes, but with a 12-bolt. So that is what I went home and built. I am still waiting for the new engine specification to be published by the NHRA.........

[Mickey Whaley]

Man sorry to say they just hit the wall

[Joseph Teuton]

Hey where did everyone go??

[Jim Bailey]

Norwalk AA/S index informal survey -

Brian / Ryan McClanahan - change to 10.70
Jim Bailey - change to 10.75
Gene Jordan - change to 10.80 ( really doesn't care )
Randy Wilkes - change to 10.80

There , that's a start !

[Keith Bennett]

Keith Bennett change to 10.80

[Chuck Rayburn]

Originally Posted by Jim Bailey

Norwalk AA/S index informal survey -

Brian / Ryan McClanahan - change to 10.70
Jim Bailey - change to 10.75
Gene Jordan - change to 10.80 ( really doesn't care )
Randy Wilkes - change to 10.80

There , that's a start !

Jim,
Given that both our combos are considered the same combo with respect to the AHFS, the welfare you are asking for puts me in an awkward position. If NHRA was to soften the index any at all, it is inevitable that I will get the combo hit. I can deal with the extra weight, can you?
The bar for performance in stock and superstock is 1.00 sec. under the index. Our combo is there already. I've been to five races this year and have run .9 under at all five. The index is not too hard. Of all the indexes, I think that NHRA got this one right. On a really good day a decent AA car can and has run .9 under. (Sorenson, Pond, Myself and McClanahan.....for starters.)

[HR9121]

Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

Hey where did everyone go??

I'm back now, been in the shop insulating my glove box. I think I can work on my class and cooth, but where can I find this culture thing at?