Dommination of FI cars.

Dick Butler · 12-17-2007, 02:30 PM

Definition of Bogus "factored" motors : motors which have inadvertantly been overlooked when the factoring was done. 400 chevy, 350 FI chevy, 305 FI chevy are at the top of the list. I find no fault with motors FOUND in the books for years. They exist but Bogus in the sense they are in some cases very much under rated and therefore initially a Killer combination. Many very intelligent racers use this method of qualifying high on the ladder. I am not referring to motors which are paper combinations....Thats another problem...Which would also be corrected by tight AHFS.

Tom Turner · 01-05-2008, 01:13 AM

I was gonna stay out of this thread but I couldn't stand it any longer and I do have a dog in the fight. Many of us knew early last season that the re-mixing of FI and traditional stockers was probably going to happen so I kept a pretty close eye on the 8lb and 8.5lb classes from the middle of the year on. I dont know where some people get their info but it doesn't look like total domination to me, in fact, the upper classes will probably be dominated by the same folks that dominated A/SA and B/SA last year; with the possible exception of Ryan McClanahan (probably the baddest Stocker there is) and maybe a few eastern LS-1's. Those of us with LT-1's will not find an easy path through the traditional cars. It is possible that the heavier FI cars have an edge in their respective classes but at the top of the heap, it aint gonna be easy. By the way: Evan, you were right on as usual. Gale Forse, you are an idiot! Speed Racer, (you little monkeywacker) I hope your Mom comes into your room and breaks your fingers; all of them! Zach, call me; you obviously have strayed since the last sermon and are badly in need of an attitude adjustment. I couldn't find anything in the new rule book that illudes to a soft, cushy transition from bracket guy to Stock Eliminator hero. Stock 1045 (whoever you are), you were right about Zach but please forgive him for being such a dummy. He drives very well and could be in a good Stocker ride but that would require a repositioning of his head so as not to have such a great view of his small intestine.

Lee Valentine · 01-05-2008, 07:49 AM

I can't wait for the season to start so I can turn my Mustang loose and start bashing carburated cars,because if it's as fast as the carb guys think it is I'm going to have a great time.

Jack Matyas · 01-05-2008, 11:38 AM

Tom Turner---You're 110% right and I couldn't agree with you more......yes , its' very hard to stay out of this fight ! ! !

Stewart Way · 01-05-2008, 12:46 PM

Ken
Better check your dictionary before class. One way Webster's defines altitude is "height above sea level", another being "regions at a greater height than sea level". As for vacuum what you refer to is a perfect vacuum. Again, according to Webster's, a vacuum is "air or gas at a pressure below that of the atmosphere" or "to clean with a vacuum cleaner".

In another post it was stated that there is no vacuum at WOT. The lowest pressure is in the cylinder on the intake stroke, but I don't think it is atmospheric pressure in the intake at WOT. This becomes a different discussion with a turbo or blower.
I have never put a vacuum guage on an intake and looked at it in the traps but my thought is that there is still a pressure differential across the carb or a vacuum in the intake, just less than at idle. If there was none, going to a bigger carb would not increase the airflow and make more power and it usually does.

Just my thought and I have been wrong before.

LNorton · 01-05-2008, 02:12 PM

I have put a vacuum gauge on it and watched it from point A to B, and from the time I go WOT to the finish line it is ZERO.

STK 1045 · 01-05-2008, 04:35 PM

Tom Turner, I'm not sure if it was your intention but please don't put words in my mouth. I never bad mouthed Zach in any way, nor did I call him a dummy. This is America, we are all entitled to our opinions. Zach's opinions are just as important as anyone elses and he certainly has a right to voice his without getting verbally clobbered. No offense, we class racers need all the competition we can get, and petty name calling and bickering certainly is not going to increase car counts anytime soon. What I merely pointed out was that I had recently purchased a very fast stocker and that any talk of heads up class runs as a debate would take the performance based aspect of Stock and Super Stock and pretty much throw it out the window. Zach had also mentioned the money it takes to be fast. I know. I watched Richard Todd, methodically build his 427 Ford Fairlane into one of the fastest stockers on the planet, and of course, his very successful dyno business in upstate New York from scratch. Let's face it the higher stock classes are becoming rather pricey. If heads up runs were to be eliminated, I could have easily gotten by buying some "stone" and not have to worry about running a faster car in my class heads up. That was my point. By the way, Tom, my name is Frank Hamer Jr., I recently purchased Richard Todd's A/SA 427 Fairlane, from Richard Todd, who is a personal friend of mine. I'm not on here to pick fights or to resort to petty name calling. If we don't actively promote our sport and constantly try to bring "new blood" into it, class racing could possibly end up on the endangered species list. Life is too short. I merely want to race, and of course, enjoy myself racing. See you at the races.

12-17-2007, 02:30 PM	#1
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Dommination of FI cars. Definition of Bogus "factored" motors : motors which have inadvertantly been overlooked when the factoring was done. 400 chevy, 350 FI chevy, 305 FI chevy are at the top of the list. I find no fault with motors FOUND in the books for years. They exist but Bogus in the sense they are in some cases very much under rated and therefore initially a Killer combination. Many very intelligent racers use this method of qualifying high on the ladder. I am not referring to motors which are paper combinations....Thats another problem...Which would also be corrected by tight AHFS.

01-05-2008, 01:13 AM	#2
Tom Turner Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lake Tapps, Washington Posts: 137 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Dommination of FI cars. I was gonna stay out of this thread but I couldn't stand it any longer and I do have a dog in the fight. Many of us knew early last season that the re-mixing of FI and traditional stockers was probably going to happen so I kept a pretty close eye on the 8lb and 8.5lb classes from the middle of the year on. I dont know where some people get their info but it doesn't look like total domination to me, in fact, the upper classes will probably be dominated by the same folks that dominated A/SA and B/SA last year; with the possible exception of Ryan McClanahan (probably the baddest Stocker there is) and maybe a few eastern LS-1's. Those of us with LT-1's will not find an easy path through the traditional cars. It is possible that the heavier FI cars have an edge in their respective classes but at the top of the heap, it aint gonna be easy. By the way: Evan, you were right on as usual. Gale Forse, you are an idiot! Speed Racer, (you little monkeywacker) I hope your Mom comes into your room and breaks your fingers; all of them! Zach, call me; you obviously have strayed since the last sermon and are badly in need of an attitude adjustment. I couldn't find anything in the new rule book that illudes to a soft, cushy transition from bracket guy to Stock Eliminator hero. Stock 1045 (whoever you are), you were right about Zach but please forgive him for being such a dummy. He drives very well and could be in a good Stocker ride but that would require a repositioning of his head so as not to have such a great view of his small intestine.

01-05-2008, 07:49 AM	#3
Lee Valentine Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Brookfield, CT Posts: 708 Likes: 13 Liked 319 Times in 68 Posts	Re: Dommination of FI cars. I can't wait for the season to start so I can turn my Mustang loose and start bashing carburated cars,because if it's as fast as the carb guys think it is I'm going to have a great time. __________________ Lee Valentine 1661 STK

01-05-2008, 11:38 AM	#4
Jack Matyas Live Reporter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bethlehem , PA -Christmas City , USA Posts: 4,932 Likes: 408 Liked 2,052 Times in 400 Posts	Re: Dommination of FI cars. Tom Turner---You're 110% right and I couldn't agree with you more......yes , its' very hard to stay out of this fight ! ! ! __________________ Jack Matyas 1547 FS/C 2015 Camaro COPO # 62- 2012 Camaro Convertible COPO

01-05-2008, 12:46 PM	#5
Stewart Way Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 476 Likes: 20 Liked 70 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Dommination of FI cars. Ken Better check your dictionary before class. One way Webster's defines altitude is "height above sea level", another being "regions at a greater height than sea level". As for vacuum what you refer to is a perfect vacuum. Again, according to Webster's, a vacuum is "air or gas at a pressure below that of the atmosphere" or "to clean with a vacuum cleaner". In another post it was stated that there is no vacuum at WOT. The lowest pressure is in the cylinder on the intake stroke, but I don't think it is atmospheric pressure in the intake at WOT. This becomes a different discussion with a turbo or blower. I have never put a vacuum guage on an intake and looked at it in the traps but my thought is that there is still a pressure differential across the carb or a vacuum in the intake, just less than at idle. If there was none, going to a bigger carb would not increase the airflow and make more power and it usually does. Just my thought and I have been wrong before.

01-05-2008, 02:12 PM	#6
LNorton Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: RacerTees.com Posts: 505 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Dommination of FI cars. I have put a vacuum gauge on it and watched it from point A to B, and from the time I go WOT to the finish line it is ZERO. __________________ Lee Norton - N229 STK IHRA H/FIA - NHRA O/SA RacerTees.com

01-05-2008, 04:35 PM	#7
STK 1045 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 25 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Dommination of FI cars. Tom Turner, I'm not sure if it was your intention but please don't put words in my mouth. I never bad mouthed Zach in any way, nor did I call him a dummy. This is America, we are all entitled to our opinions. Zach's opinions are just as important as anyone elses and he certainly has a right to voice his without getting verbally clobbered. No offense, we class racers need all the competition we can get, and petty name calling and bickering certainly is not going to increase car counts anytime soon. What I merely pointed out was that I had recently purchased a very fast stocker and that any talk of heads up class runs as a debate would take the performance based aspect of Stock and Super Stock and pretty much throw it out the window. Zach had also mentioned the money it takes to be fast. I know. I watched Richard Todd, methodically build his 427 Ford Fairlane into one of the fastest stockers on the planet, and of course, his very successful dyno business in upstate New York from scratch. Let's face it the higher stock classes are becoming rather pricey. If heads up runs were to be eliminated, I could have easily gotten by buying some "stone" and not have to worry about running a faster car in my class heads up. That was my point. By the way, Tom, my name is Frank Hamer Jr., I recently purchased Richard Todd's A/SA 427 Fairlane, from Richard Todd, who is a personal friend of mine. I'm not on here to pick fights or to resort to petty name calling. If we don't actively promote our sport and constantly try to bring "new blood" into it, class racing could possibly end up on the endangered species list. Life is too short. I merely want to race, and of course, enjoy myself racing. See you at the races.