Tech Card Fee,....Lane/Payout Fee

[Paul Merolla]

This thread makes me even more grateful to the folks that make Midwest Class Racers such a success. 8 races this year, and they all pay like this or better! It's no wonder we always have 50-75 cars at every race.

[Mike Pearson]

Originally Posted by Paul Merolla

This thread makes me even more grateful to the folks that make Midwest Class Racers such a success. 8 races this year, and they all pay like this or better! It's no wonder we always have 50-75 cars at every race.

These types of events can be successful if the promoter can get some sort of corporate sponsorship to cover the purse plus get some butts in the seats to generate revenue. Then the car counts would not be so critical until the event gets some history. The promoter cannot expect to make a huge profit or even break even at the first few events but he has to start somewhere and build on the event year to year. Most all of us have to schedule our vacation time to attend large events during the racing season. I have to schedule mine early in the year so I schedule around the NHRA and IHRA major events that are the closest to my area. As I have said many times it is up to the promoter to sell his product to the paying customer and that is not just the racer. I really hope someone like Michael Beard can get another class national series going. He had a great idea but did not have the financial backing to continue on which is a shame. They put a ton of effort into that race.

[Superfan1]

Michael put his heart and soul into the Class Nationals in 2014 and 2015. I was there both years, in 2014 with my wife; and in 2015 by myself, and we had a great time. It's an absolute shame that the racer participation and support was so weak. If Michael, or any other promoter, decides to have a race similar to the Class Nationals within 1000 miles driving distance of my home, I will be there.

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Mike Pearson

These types of events can be successful if the promoter can get some sort of corporate sponsorship to cover the purse plus get some butts in the seats to generate revenue. Then the car counts would not be so critical until the event gets some history. The promoter cannot expect to make a huge profit or even break even at the first few events but he has to start somewhere and build on the event year to year.

We had substantial financial support, and still barely broke even the first year, and lost our *** the second year. Never again. People had been begging for a Class Nationals event for well over a decade, and we're expected to take losses while it "gets some history"?

We promote big money bracket races, and people show up. We just had an inaugural event at Kil-Kare Raceway in Ohio: a new format of an event for us, at a new facility many of our customers were not familiar with. We had racers from Wisconsin, Texas, Mississippi, and Florida. It was a very smooth, very successful event. Our other four events all had record car counts last year (again), and those events got a purse increase this year (again). That's how it works.



Paul - Midwest series looks great!


Terry - Congrats on the R/U this weekend! And don't be giving my Wally away!

[Daran Summerton]

Footbrake guys don't know how good they have it with the Loose rocker races. I have supported both the class races and door slammer races. Since relocating to west coast we realize it now! Final 4 in divisional race will not get entry fee back. Thanks loose rocker for your events. Hope to return soon!

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

We had substantial financial support, and still barely broke even the first year, and lost our *** the second year. Never again. People had been begging for a Class Nationals event for well over a decade, and we're expected to take losses while it "gets some history"?

We promote big money bracket races, and people show up. We just had an inaugural event at Kil-Kare Raceway in Ohio: a new format of an event for us, at a new facility many of our customers were not familiar with. We had racers from Wisconsin, Texas, Mississippi, and Florida. It was a very smooth, very successful event. Our other four events all had record car counts last year (again), and those events got a purse increase this year (again). That's how it works.



Paul - Midwest series looks great!


Terry - Congrats on the R/U this weekend! And don't be giving my Wally away!

The reality is YOUNG bracket racers want to race, OLDER CLASS racers are enticed to race for that WALLY....as you get older there are many reasons to stay home....scheduling, weather, family obligations, .....

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY

The reality is YOUNG bracket racers want to race, OLDER CLASS racers are enticed to race for that WALLY....as you get older there are many reasons to stay home....scheduling, weather, family obligations, .....

Been this way for quite a while, too.
15-20 years ago, (somebody help me out here) Rock Running and Kenny Shawver? tried to promote a big bucks S/SS combo.
Ended up refunding the pre-entries. Couldn't get enough collected to pay the track rental??

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Been this way for quite a while, too.
15-20 years ago, (somebody help me out here) Rock Running and Kenny Shawver? tried to promote a big bucks S/SS combo.
Ended up refunding the pre-entries. Couldn't get enough collected to pay the track rental??

Mark, I am looking at the flyer right now for that race (found it when I moved last year, and kept it handy). It was to be August 1-2, 1998 at Edgewater (near Cincinnati, for those unfamiliar). And it had a rain date too. Entry/payout was to be:

Pre-entry: $200
At the gate: $225

Win - $20,000
R/U - $8,000
Semi - $4,000
1/4's - $2,000
1/8's - $1,000 (round of 16)

Plus a Saturday gamblers race, contingency, and more.

And, yes, it was cancelled due to lack of pre-entries and interest.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Mark, I am looking at the flyer right now for that race (found it when I moved last year, and kept it handy). It was to be August 1-2, 1998 at Edgewater (near Cincinnati, for those unfamiliar). And it had a rain date too. Entry/payout was to be:

Pre-entry: $200
At the gate: $225

Win - $20,000
R/U - $8,000
Semi - $4,000
1/4's - $2,000
1/8's - $1,000 (round of 16)

Plus a Saturday gamblers race, contingency, and more.

And, yes, it was cancelled due to lack of pre-entries and interest.

Thanks, BD
It should be noted that this was only 3 years before the successful Class Nationals I ..
Same part of the country..Same time of the year.

[David Daulton]

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

Mark, I am looking at the flyer right now for that race (found it when I moved last year, and kept it handy). It was to be August 1-2, 1998 at Edgewater (near Cincinnati, for those unfamiliar). And it had a rain date too. Entry/payout was to be:

Pre-entry: $200
At the gate: $225

Win - $20,000
R/U - $8,000
Semi - $4,000
1/4's - $2,000
1/8's - $1,000 (round of 16)

Plus a Saturday gamblers race, contingency, and more.

And, yes, it was cancelled due to lack of pre-entries and interest.

I have a copy of that flyer too in my records from 1998, along with the envelope containing my returned check and nice letter from the Runnings explaining the race was cancelled due to lack of interest, still a sore subject for me.
I attended the Loose Rocker Race at Kil Kare Michael referred to above and believe me there are still a lot of folks out there young and old that want to race and will support a hardcore race at a local track. Best racing I've seen in a long time. I've been part of putting on a combo race at that same track and we were never able to get more than 26-28 cars no matter the entry or payout and half the field were NMCA Nostalgia Cars.