Dommination of FI cars.

zach craig · 01-03-2008, 05:05 AM

Just git rid off heads ups all together then there is no worries. Then you can go racing and not have 2 worry about gitting wacked by a guy with more cash then god even no if it was a dile in race you would b packing his ***..........

Larry Hill · 01-03-2008, 09:25 AM

The FI cars and the "paper cars" are going to rub our nose in it.

SSDiv6 · 01-03-2008, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by zach craig

Just git rid off heads ups all together then there is no worries. Then you can go racing and not have 2 worry about gitting wacked by a guy with more cash then god even no if it was a dile in race you would b packing his ***..........

Then you should go bracket racing in lieu of racing in Stock Eliminator. Stock and Super Stock have always been consider performance classes. Although not perfect, let the AHFS do its work to equal the field.

01-03-2008, 10:47 AM

I agree, the AFHS will even this out. Keep working on your car, Hit the tree well and don't let out at the 660 mark when you can't win. Make the guy run all out. The FI cars will be brought back in line eventually have paientce. Most of us will not have that many heads
up's. If you do and can't win, buy a ladder book from Berine Cunningham and start avoiding them by playing the ladder. Just my .02 $

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Originally Posted by SSDiv6

Then you should go bracket racing in lieu of racing in Stock Eliminator. Stock and Super Stock have always been consider performance classes. Although not perfect, let the AHFS do its work to equal the field.

STK 1045 · 01-04-2008, 04:43 AM

SSDiv6 is right Zach. No offense but I just didn't buy a killer high class stocker only to run someone in the same class, who is slower, running different dial ins. As far as the money aspect, and being beat by someone with more cash, if you're already worried about the money, maybe Stock and Super Stock aren't for you. If you love Bracket Racing so much and think heads up runs should be eliminated, then maybe you should consider sticking with Bracket Racing. Like what was previously posted, these are performance based classes. If we were to take away the performance aspect (heads up runs), it only water down the classes even further, plus, now new spectators would be confused when you have 2 cars in the same class, and one gets a head start. The only advantage to having a fast car, then, would be running heads up for class at National Events. And alot of people who run only divisionals would never be forced to step up performance wise, thus, diluting the eliminators even further. Just my $.02

Dave Ribeiro · 01-03-2008, 11:02 AM

Hey Larry,

Lets see how everybody feels by August of 2008, by that time the sandbagging should be over..
Then they will see how it really is ? Please don't tell me that FI cars are now factored correctly, its a Joke... But I guess this is the only way to prove it... Larry, it will take years to even this move out @ 1-3 HP per hit... I guess they want us all to move to FI cars, hey its only money... Time will tell..... I do think we had too many classes,but not enough thought was given to the HP factors... Should be an interesting year on top of high gas prices and the cost of traveling....

Dick Butler · 01-03-2008, 01:04 PM

Recommendation: give imput to NHRA to tighten up AHFS so it works faster or more often or at more places and EVERY bogus combination will be corrected faster as well as the FI cars... It is the right idea and based on real racing but just not effective enough yet...

Harry 6674 · 01-03-2008, 02:32 PM

A while back someone commented that you couldn't increase air flow in an FI unit. How about the fast idle control valve? On my bracket car thats a 3/4 inch o.d. air leak when activated. It could be activated with a switch. Do they even tech that? Sort of like pulling the line off the vacuum guage only with a map sensor to increase the fuel. Has to help.

SSDiv6 · 01-03-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry 6674

A while back someone commented that you couldn't increase air flow in an FI unit. How about the fast idle control valve? On my bracket car thats a 3/4 inch o.d. air leak when activated. It could be activated with a switch. Do they even tech that? Sort of like pulling the line off the vacuum guage only with a map sensor to increase the fuel. Has to help.

Why do you want to increase the amount of unregulated fuel when it is metered and controlled by the injector rate? Also, a vacuum leak does not increase airflow; the airflow is controlled by the size of the throttle body.

Harry 6674 · 01-03-2008, 06:12 PM

The fast idle control lets additional air in down stream from the throttle body. The MAP tells the computer to turn up the fuel. More air = more cfm that isn't controlled by the throttle body.

01-03-2008, 05:05 AM	#1
zach craig Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 19 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Dommination of FI cars. Just git rid off heads ups all together then there is no worries. Then you can go racing and not have 2 worry about gitting wacked by a guy with more cash then god even no if it was a dile in race you would b packing his ***..........

01-03-2008, 09:25 AM	#2
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01-04-2008, 04:43 AM	#5
STK 1045 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 25 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Dommination of FI cars. SSDiv6 is right Zach. No offense but I just didn't buy a killer high class stocker only to run someone in the same class, who is slower, running different dial ins. As far as the money aspect, and being beat by someone with more cash, if you're already worried about the money, maybe Stock and Super Stock aren't for you. If you love Bracket Racing so much and think heads up runs should be eliminated, then maybe you should consider sticking with Bracket Racing. Like what was previously posted, these are performance based classes. If we were to take away the performance aspect (heads up runs), it only water down the classes even further, plus, now new spectators would be confused when you have 2 cars in the same class, and one gets a head start. The only advantage to having a fast car, then, would be running heads up for class at National Events. And alot of people who run only divisionals would never be forced to step up performance wise, thus, diluting the eliminators even further. Just my $.02

01-03-2008, 11:02 AM	#6
Dave Ribeiro VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Williamsburg, Va.---USA Posts: 1,827 Likes: 1,612 Liked 56 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Dommination of FI cars. Hey Larry, Lets see how everybody feels by August of 2008, by that time the sandbagging should be over.. Then they will see how it really is ? Please don't tell me that FI cars are now factored correctly, its a Joke... But I guess this is the only way to prove it... Larry, it will take years to even this move out @ 1-3 HP per hit... I guess they want us all to move to FI cars, hey its only money... Time will tell..... I do think we had too many classes,but not enough thought was given to the HP factors... Should be an interesting year on top of high gas prices and the cost of traveling.... __________________ Dave Ribeiro 1033 STK

01-03-2008, 01:04 PM	#7
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Dommination of FI cars. Recommendation: give imput to NHRA to tighten up AHFS so it works faster or more often or at more places and EVERY bogus combination will be corrected faster as well as the FI cars... It is the right idea and based on real racing but just not effective enough yet...

01-03-2008, 02:32 PM	#8
Harry 6674 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 589 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Dommination of FI cars. A while back someone commented that you couldn't increase air flow in an FI unit. How about the fast idle control valve? On my bracket car thats a 3/4 inch o.d. air leak when activated. It could be activated with a switch. Do they even tech that? Sort of like pulling the line off the vacuum guage only with a map sensor to increase the fuel. Has to help.

01-03-2008, 06:12 PM	#10
Harry 6674 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 589 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Dommination of FI cars. The fast idle control lets additional air in down stream from the throttle body. The MAP tells the computer to turn up the fuel. More air = more cfm that isn't controlled by the throttle body.