The Future Of Stock - Page 7

Bruce Noland · 04-18-2017, 11:56 AM

Guys, this thread has nothing to do with the future of Stock and everything to do with a guy trying to hustle some parts for the OEM's. It should be apparent to everyone by now that the new cars are not going to take over the car counts in Stock. So, the plan is now to just sell some very expensive parts to the Stock racers. It's also stupid to think all of us want to run in the 8's @ 170 mph. We don't!

Dan Fahey · 04-18-2017, 12:15 PM

Dear Mark Yaccavone:

To answer your question.. YES !!
I suggested Bolt on Mods for the new Pure Stockers.
No modifications under the Valve Covers.
Stock MAF and TB and Pulleys.

Gears, Converters, Headers, Hi Perf mufflers, Suspension upgrades,
Pure Stock rules on DOT and Slicks.

All about keeping the inspection process clean and easy.
They are fast and see a pent up demand to race them in a Class Environment.
A lot of people have bought these cars....!

Asked many times how to get these new cars integrated into Pure Stock.
Many of these cars cost as much as our Stockers off the show room floor.
Would be drive the aftermarket for parts.

In fact willing to sponsor an ALL PURE STOCK race with new an Current Cars and put my money where my mouth is.
Could use a bit of advice how to plan, advertise and implement this.
Would use existing IHRA Rules.
Plus the ones I suggested for the new cars.

Would need volunteers to inspect the cars.
Again matching what IHRA would have to go through.
Exciting part there will be heads up races.
Truly believe there is a market to Classify and Race these cars.

I can see the heads up controversy now.
Remembering back in 1974..
Tommy Howes won Stock at 75&80 with his 454 Chevelle SS.
Tommy was challenged by Kenny Koonce and Leon & Eddie Maranian about how legal was Tommy's engine was. Offering him $200 back then to tear down his engine. What a conversation that was..!

Street Outlaws learned from us !!

Dan

Dwight Southerland · 04-18-2017, 12:29 PM

I have been following this with interest. There are two issues that are evident. First, whether you like it or not, heads up runs are a critical part of the value and attraction for Stock Eliminator. It is missing in just about every other sportsman eliminator definition, yet it is core to the idea of all forms of racing. The majority of race fans and participants find head to head competition much more exciting than handicap breakout racing, and it is easier to sell and understand. Secondly, while it seems that the common opinion is that NHRA makes a bunch of money from Stock eliminator participation, if you talk to them they state the opposite. We do not have hard facts to support either position. It would seem that if Stock Eliminator were such a cash cow, NHRA would put more effort into supporting it. But the evidence seems to point to a different reality. I think it is time to have the facts come out into the open and see what the real situation is. A healthy Stock Eliminator program will be better served with cooperation from both sides in this "association".

In reference to the first point, combining stick and automatics as well as eliminating half pound breaks will help create more heads up races. I know that will rub the wrong way because it threatens some protected corners that racers have found and will erode some racers' little fiefdoms they have built, but it will vastly increase the percentage of heads up runs.

In regard to the second point, trust from both sides in large quantities is the commodity that will be required to make it work.

Mark Yacavone · 04-18-2017, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Guys, this thread has nothing to do with the future of Stock and everything to do with a guy trying to hustle some parts for the OEM's. It should be apparent to everyone by now that the new cars are not going to take over the car counts in Stock. So, the plan is now to just sell some very expensive parts to the Stock racers. It's also stupid to think all of us want to run in the 8's @ 170 mph. We don't!

..Also , sticks and automatics are already combined in FS, so why not make everyone else "conform" ?
LS1 conversions are very popular now with the magazines and magazine types.
However, bolting in a junkyard 5.3 ,and sticking twin turbos on it, is not what we do here.
Would any of these guys want to get inside an LS1 and spend the money it takes to be competitive? Or, do we need to give them a hp break to bring them in?
Besides, there are plenty of LS1 combos that can be raced right now.
Plenty more that could be added that are "Stock".

Mark Yacavone · 04-18-2017, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Dear Mark Yaccavone:

To answer your question.. YES !!
I suggested Bolt on Mods for the new Pure Stockers.
No modifications under the Valve Covers.
Stock MAF and TB and Pulleys.

Gears, Converters, Headers, Hi Perf mufflers, Suspension upgrades,
Pure Stock rules on DOT and Slicks.

All about keeping the inspection process clean and easy.
They are fast and see a pent up demand to race them in a Class Environment.
A lot of people have bought these cars....!

Asked many times how to get these new cars integrated into Pure Stock.
Many of these cars cost as much as our Stockers off the show room floor.
Would be drive the aftermarket for parts.

In fact willing to sponsor an ALL PURE STOCK race with new an Current Cars and put my money where my mouth is.
Could use a bit of advice how to plan, advertise and implement this.
Would use existing IHRA Rules.
Plus the ones I suggested for the new cars.

Would need volunteers to inspect the cars.
Again matching what IHRA would have to go through.
Exciting part there will be heads up races.
Truly believe there is a market to Classify and Race these cars.

I can see the heads up controversy now.
Remembering back in 1974..
Tommy Howes won Stock at 75&80 with his 454 Chevelle SS.
Tommy was challenged by Kenny Koonce and Leon & Eddie Maranian about how legal was Tommy's engine was. Offering him $200 back then to tear down his engine. What a conversation that was..!

Street Outlaws learned from us !!

Dan

I applaud your efforts, Dan, but I just don't see the interest, starting at a local level.
You tell some of these guy that you can't bolt on a bigger throttle body, and they look at you kinda funny, and you've lost them already.
My experience anyway.

Several of the independent S/SS groups allow Pure Stockers, but I never see them there.
You did a good job for the Northern Class Nationals, but I don't know where you're going to go from there.
NHRA doesn't want any more classes.They don't even want the cars they have now, at nationals.

Dan Fahey · 04-18-2017, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

I applaud your efforts, Dan, but I just don't see the interest, starting at a local level.
You tell some of these guy that you can't bolt on a bigger throttle body, and they look at you kinda funny, and you've lost them already.
My experience anyway.

Several of the independent S/SS groups allow Pure Stockers, but I never see them there.
You did a good job for the Northern Class Nationals, but I don't know where you're going to go from there.
NHRA doesn't want any more classes.They don't even want the cars they have now, at nationals.

Thanks Mark !!

Hey I am sponsoring the Pure Stock Challenge with IHRA this year..
Build a Pure Stocker !!

Challenge you for a whole real American $1

D

Buick6 · 04-18-2017, 04:14 PM

Dwight Southerland nailed it for me. Most drag racing fans love heads up racing and just don't get handicap starts. One of the reasons handicap racing was started was to get more drivers participating. But from a spectator perspective, it can be pretty boring.

Paradigm Shift · 04-18-2017, 05:13 PM

Factor when sitting in the stands anywhere within reasonable proximity of the starting line, you have no idea of who won the handicap race without a visual indicator. I have a tough time determining who won a race and sometimes they aren't all that close.

Then comes the explanation that while that car looked to be the winner, in fact, the driver ran too well and thus the opposing vehicle was awarded the victory for not getting to the finish line first ...........and not running quite so well, although within a predetermined and self imposed boundary.

Frank Castros · 04-18-2017, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by HR9121

There's more than you might think. I'm 45 and look around sometimes and feel a little old, Adam Davis, Brad Plourd, Kenneth Stott, Kaitlyn Adkinson, Allison Smyth, Bubba Linke, Justin Picillo, Doug Doll, Stephen Smyth,Joel Warren, Cody Phillips,Jeff Longhany..... I can go on and on, that's just off the top of my head and mainly division1 and 2. Oh Cooter Hildalgo and the Cummings boys.

James,
Thanks for your reply, I'm happy to learn of the new generation of class racers and hope it continues to grow.
Frank

Dave Muller · 04-18-2017, 06:32 PM

As far as the fans understanding handicapped races, I think the super categories have gone a long way to fixing that for us.

People are already used to the idea that in Super Gas, for instance, the goal is to run close to 9.90 without going under, and that running under the index is a disqualification.

It's a very small step from there to understand that in Stock each car has its own "index" written on it in shoe polish.

A lot of it is a matter of having good announcing. While it could be better at times I think generally the announcing at national events is pretty good on those counts.

04-18-2017, 11:56 AM	#61
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: The Future Of Stock Guys, this thread has nothing to do with the future of Stock and everything to do with a guy trying to hustle some parts for the OEM's. It should be apparent to everyone by now that the new cars are not going to take over the car counts in Stock. So, the plan is now to just sell some very expensive parts to the Stock racers. It's also stupid to think all of us want to run in the 8's @ 170 mph. We don't! __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

04-18-2017, 12:15 PM	#62
Dan Fahey VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,128 Likes: 1,084 Liked 184 Times in 113 Posts	Re: The Future Of Stock Dear Mark Yaccavone: To answer your question.. YES !! I suggested Bolt on Mods for the new Pure Stockers. No modifications under the Valve Covers. Stock MAF and TB and Pulleys. Gears, Converters, Headers, Hi Perf mufflers, Suspension upgrades, Pure Stock rules on DOT and Slicks. All about keeping the inspection process clean and easy. They are fast and see a pent up demand to race them in a Class Environment. A lot of people have bought these cars....! Asked many times how to get these new cars integrated into Pure Stock. Many of these cars cost as much as our Stockers off the show room floor. Would be drive the aftermarket for parts. In fact willing to sponsor an ALL PURE STOCK race with new an Current Cars and put my money where my mouth is. Could use a bit of advice how to plan, advertise and implement this. Would use existing IHRA Rules. Plus the ones I suggested for the new cars. Would need volunteers to inspect the cars. Again matching what IHRA would have to go through. Exciting part there will be heads up races. Truly believe there is a market to Classify and Race these cars. I can see the heads up controversy now. Remembering back in 1974.. Tommy Howes won Stock at 75&80 with his 454 Chevelle SS. Tommy was challenged by Kenny Koonce and Leon & Eddie Maranian about how legal was Tommy's engine was. Offering him $200 back then to tear down his engine. What a conversation that was..! Street Outlaws learned from us !! Dan

04-18-2017, 12:29 PM	#63
Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 2,001 Likes: 64 Liked 780 Times in 194 Posts	Re: The Future Of Stock I have been following this with interest. There are two issues that are evident. First, whether you like it or not, heads up runs are a critical part of the value and attraction for Stock Eliminator. It is missing in just about every other sportsman eliminator definition, yet it is core to the idea of all forms of racing. The majority of race fans and participants find head to head competition much more exciting than handicap breakout racing, and it is easier to sell and understand. Secondly, while it seems that the common opinion is that NHRA makes a bunch of money from Stock eliminator participation, if you talk to them they state the opposite. We do not have hard facts to support either position. It would seem that if Stock Eliminator were such a cash cow, NHRA would put more effort into supporting it. But the evidence seems to point to a different reality. I think it is time to have the facts come out into the open and see what the real situation is. A healthy Stock Eliminator program will be better served with cooperation from both sides in this "association". In reference to the first point, combining stick and automatics as well as eliminating half pound breaks will help create more heads up races. I know that will rub the wrong way because it threatens some protected corners that racers have found and will erode some racers' little fiefdoms they have built, but it will vastly increase the percentage of heads up runs. In regard to the second point, trust from both sides in large quantities is the commodity that will be required to make it work. __________________

04-18-2017, 04:14 PM	#67
Buick6 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Florence, SC Posts: 84 Likes: 16 Liked 16 Times in 7 Posts	Re: The Future Of Stock Dwight Southerland nailed it for me. Most drag racing fans love heads up racing and just don't get handicap starts. One of the reasons handicap racing was started was to get more drivers participating. But from a spectator perspective, it can be pretty boring.

04-18-2017, 05:13 PM	#68
Paradigm Shift Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 143 Likes: 3 Liked 80 Times in 29 Posts	Re: The Future Of Stock Factor when sitting in the stands anywhere within reasonable proximity of the starting line, you have no idea of who won the handicap race without a visual indicator. I have a tough time determining who won a race and sometimes they aren't all that close. Then comes the explanation that while that car looked to be the winner, in fact, the driver ran too well and thus the opposing vehicle was awarded the victory for not getting to the finish line first ...........and not running quite so well, although within a predetermined and self imposed boundary.

04-18-2017, 06:32 PM	#70
Dave Muller Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 497 Likes: 162 Liked 223 Times in 73 Posts	Re: The Future Of Stock As far as the fans understanding handicapped races, I think the super categories have gone a long way to fixing that for us. People are already used to the idea that in Super Gas, for instance, the goal is to run close to 9.90 without going under, and that running under the index is a disqualification. It's a very small step from there to understand that in Stock each car has its own "index" written on it in shoe polish. A lot of it is a matter of having good announcing. While it could be better at times I think generally the announcing at national events is pretty good on those counts.