Rd #3 Stock @ Atlanta

[HR9121]

I'm pretty sure if he had wheeled it and won the round he would've been DQ'ed even though he had the correct dial on his car he accepted the incorrect dial by staging. Best case scenario he might would've got a rerun but I would imagine just a DQ.

[jcadreau1]

Originally Posted by HR9121

I'm pretty sure if he had wheeled it and won the round he would've been DQ'ed even though he had the correct dial on his car he accepted the incorrect dial by staging. Best case scenario he might would've got a rerun but I would imagine just a DQ.

Why would he get DQ'ed? It was an error by someone in the tower and he did not intentionally dial over the index. If that scenario would have occurred then his opponent would then have an argument for a rerun. I'm guessing his opponent was aware of the incorrect dial giving his late reaction time and being well above his dial or maybe just caught off guard with Jim leaving first. What happens if Hildago redlighted and they DQ'ed Jim for staging with a dial above the index even though it was an error by the tower? Then you have the possibility of both drivers being eliminated and a round 4 bye to the next opponent.

[Lenny5160]

Originally Posted by jcadreau1

Why would he get DQ'ed? It was an error by someone in the tower and he did not intentionally dial over the index. If that scenario would have occurred then his opponent would then have an argument for a rerun. I'm guessing his opponent was aware of the incorrect dial giving his late reaction time and being well above his dial or maybe just caught off guard with Jim leaving first. What happens if Hildago redlighted and they DQ'ed Jim for staging with a dial above the index even though it was an error by the tower? Then you have the possibility of both drivers being eliminated and a round 4 bye to the next opponent.

An argument could be made that he would be DQ'd by staging on an 'illegal' dial-in. Even though it was a mistake in the tower, it is ultimately the racer's responsibility to ensure the dial-in is correct.

I'm not saying I necessarily agree with that, but I'm guessing that would have been the result had Jim managed to win that round.

If Hidalgo had been red, it wouldn't have mattered and he would have been reinstated following the opponent's DQ.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Lenny5160

An argument could be made that he would be DQ'd by staging on an 'illegal' dial-in. Even though it was a mistake in the tower, it is ultimately the racer's responsibility to ensure the dial-in is correct.

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Yes, you could make that argument.
On the other hand, NHRA says , if you stage on it, you own it. (period)
Can't have it both ways.

[Lenny5160]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Yes, you could make that argument.
On the other hand, NHRA says , if you stage on it, you own it. (period)
Can't have it both ways.

What are the 'both ways' here? Seems consistent to me. If you stage on it, you own it, period.

Maybe the incorrect dial is allowed by the rules and maybe it isn't. In either case, if you stage on it, you own it.

[Bob Mulry]

What ever happened to "First or Worst"........

When a car stages with an over the index dial in it is the "first" DQ.....

End of story.....

[Lenny5160]

Originally Posted by Bob Mulry

What ever happened to "First or Worst"........

When a car stages with an over the index dial in it is the "first" DQ.....

End of story.....

'First' only applies if the infractions are of equal severity. If your opponent red-lights but 8 seconds later you hit the wall, you will be DQ'd for having the worse infraction.

I'm not sure where 'dial-in over index' would fall on the hierarchy of infractions; just pointing out that your 'end of story' statement because it is first would not be accurate.

[Adub464Q]

I think this has been brought up before, but could someone explicitly state where in the rules it says you have to dial under your index? I looked for a little bit and couldn't find it, but I very well could be missing something.

[Lenny5160]

Originally Posted by Adub464Q

I think this has been brought up before, but could someone explicitly state where in the rules it says you have to dial under your index? I looked for a little bit and couldn't find it, but I very well could be missing something.

Austin,

I think the 'Dialing Under The Index' section of Race Procedures, Section 2, Page 5 would cover it:

DIALING UNDER THE INDEX
Contestants in Super Stock and Stock have the option of dialing under
their class’ assigned index. It is the responsibility of each contestant to
place the selected time on the windshield and tower-side window prior
to each round of competition. Dial-unders may be changed between
rounds, including a rerun situation. All contestants not choosing to dial
under will automatically be handicapped on the basis of their assigned
class index. In cases where two cars of the same class are paired, the
race is conducted on a heads-up basis, regardless of any dialing under
considerations, and breakout rulings do not apply.

So, by the rule, you can dial whatever you like but you SHOULD be automatically capped at the class index. Interesting can of worms with this run, for sure.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Lenny5160

What are the 'both ways' here? Seems consistent to me. If you stage on it, you own it, period.

Maybe the incorrect dial is allowed by the rules and maybe it isn't. In either case, if you stage on it, you own it.

Both ways comment would apply to those who say someone should be disqualified 4 an over the index dial........One which they did not submit.