New A/SA In Minnesota

[Tuki]

There should be a "modern Stock eliminator" for the factory drag pak style cars...say 2006-7 and up whenever they came out runs that..it's sad they don't care about the old cars "NHRA - No Hot Rods Allowed "

[Ed Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Tuki

There should be a "modern Stock eliminator" for the factory drag pak style cars...say 2006-7 and up whenever they came out runs that..it's sad they don't care about the old cars "NHRA - No Hot Rods Allowed "

Well said young man. Nhra could care less about old iron. Well, my iron is 51 years old and I'll be running it when it's 71 years old. Glendora doesn't even know what the term "old iron means".

[Rob Wright]

Just trying to better understand the conversation.....

Is the complaint that AHFS is not enforced at Indy and the 2015 Camaro will be leaps & bounds faster than other A/SA combinations?

AHFS is enforced at most other events, so there should be no problem or complaint if everyone thinks AHFS is effective. Does anyone think AHFS is not effective? If yes, why do you think so?

If neither of those are the problem, is it the horsepower rating? Not sure why or how that can be a problem, considering the fact that most 1960's - 1970's muscle cars had advertised horsepower ratings that in some cases were 100 or more HP lower than actual HP on some very popular combinations.

If none of these are the problem, is it because the 2015 Camaro guy didn't "work on it for xx years" to make it fast? If yes, does that mean that all of the existing A/SA cars were worked on by their owners for many years? I tend to doubt that is the case, considering how many engine builders, chassis shops, and speed parts outlets are involved in NHRA Stk/SS.

Maybe I'm missing it altogether, so if there is a problem that does not relate to any of the above or if I am incorrect with those please help me to understand.

[Coleydog]

Looks like the big three sets at a table, pushes numbers around then hands these bogus numbers to NHRA who the has neither the guts, brains, cares or balls to say BS! Pass it on down to tech and say show me the money.
Mike

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by coleydog

looks like the big three sets at a table, pushes numbers around then hands these bogus numbers to nhra who the has neither the guts, brains, cares or balls to say bs! Pass it on down to tech and say show me the money.
Mike

lol!

[my69396]

If the Camaro is ran as a 2015 SS is it a car with a vin number? If it doesn't it is a COPO. If it is a car with a vin doesn't it have to run the corporate rear end not the ford.

[Rob Wright]

Originally Posted by Coleydog

Looks like the big three sets at a table, pushes numbers around then hands these bogus numbers to NHRA who the has neither the guts, brains, cares or balls to say BS! Pass it on down to tech and say show me the money.
Mike

Are you saying the AHFS is not effective?

Let's suppose all the factories got together & gave NHRA a billion dollars to allow their 500 HP cars to run with a 100 HP rating.

Would racers with the 100 HP-rated cars get penalized for running too far under the index on average and on the spot if it is really extreme?

I'm still trying to understand why HP ratings are a problem, since they have always been grossly underrated since at least the early to mid-sixties and the NHRA has the AHFS in place to balance out the playing field.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by my69396

If the Camaro is ran as a 2015 SS is it a car with a vin number? If it doesn't it is a COPO. If it is a car with a vin doesn't it have to run the corporate rear end not the ford.

Body In White cars (no VIN) have been running in stock for a very long time. It doesn't say anything about a VIN in the rules. Why would that even make a difference?

The corporate rear is another thing. When I started building my Camaro in 2011 I was told by the NHRA that I had to run a 12 bolt. I was also told that the cowl had to be left alone.......

[Greg Hill]

Originally Posted by GUMP

The HP number is in line with the Challenger.

The base weight is 3320. And no, a zero option 1SS doesn't weigh two tons. I would love to know what a stripped Challenger weighs.

That motor would make probably 100hp more than Larry's old 440!

[Rob Wright]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Body In White cars (no VIN) have been running in stock for a very long time. It doesn't say anything about a VIN in the rules. Why would that even make a difference?

The corporate rear is another thing. When I started building my Camaro in 2011 I was told by the NHRA that I had to run a 12 bolt. I was also told that the cowl had to be left alone.......

What if it's a '69 Camaro built from a Dynacorn body?

Those don't come with VIN's, so does that mean a person who builds from a Dynacorn should also have to purchase a factory-built '69 Camaro to get the VIN?