Crate Motor Class

Dan Fahey · 10-18-2017, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HR9121

Good luck with that but if you're serious about racing NHRA I would be spending some money to find some speed. It doesn't appear that you're that far away from running the index now so I wouldn't think it would take alot.

Well running 13 ohs most days, high 12's cool days.
K/SA is a 12.65 minimum based on what my car would easily weigh.
Would need a Roll Bar, small gas tank.
Have an 8.5 inch rear...would need to upgrade to a MW or Moser 12 bolt.

Jeff Warren built a good engine but would need better rods.
Then there is the need for new cam, springs, valves.
Because the PCM is limited to 7000rpm that would need replacing.

Using a 4L60E with a Locking YANK converter.
New cam would need more converter.
That would mean a rebuild and a new converter.
Then would need some chassis reinforcement to prevent breaking suspension supports.

Best numbers is a $15,000 investment.
Then would have to buy the expensive gasoline to meet NHRA rules.

What I hate the most is putting in a Roll Bar..
Like the fact I can get in and out of my car with out contortions.
At home can put my street tires on and take it for a drive.
Car has run a 12.68 on a cold day.

All those mods would get the car running low to mid 12s.
Maybe high 11's on a cold day.

Still have my 1969 Impala going through a full restoration.
It was a M/SA car that can now run K/SA.
That will take another year or so to finish.
But the Budd Rowe engine would need upgrading.
Finishing that car will be another $15,000.00
Selling it would help fund the 95 SS.

I am having fun in Pure Stock..
Can put back on the street with AC and the comforts the car came with.
Owned it from day one..

I agree NHRA does not need more classes.
My argument my car "as is" would best compete as NHRA R/SA.
Only have to add a few pages in the Rule Book.
Not asking for the moon !
Just want to race...!!

D

Rory McNeil · 10-18-2017, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Well running 13 ohs most days, high 12's cool days.
K/SA is a 12.65 minimum based on what my car would easily weigh.
Would need a Roll Bar, small gas tank.
Have an 8.5 inch rear...would need to upgrade to a MW or Moser 12 bolt.

Jeff Warren built a good engine but would need better rods.
Then there is the need for new cam, springs, valves.
Because the PCM is limited to 7000rpm that would need replacing.

Using a 4L60E with a Locking YANK converter.
New cam would need more converter.
That would mean a rebuild and a new converter.
Then would need some chassis reinforcement to prevent breaking suspension supports.

Best numbers is a $15,000 investment.
Then would have to buy the expensive gasoline to meet NHRA rules.

What I hate the most is putting in a Roll Bar..
Like the fact I can get in and out of my car with out contortions.
At home can put my street tires on and take it for a drive.
Car has run a 12.68 on a cold day.

All those mods would get the car running low to mid 12s.
Maybe high 11's on a cold day.

Still have my 1969 Impala going through a full restoration.
It was a M/SA car that can now run K/SA.
That will take another year or so to finish.
But the Budd Rowe engine would need upgrading.
Finishing that car will be another $15,000.00
Selling it would help fund the 95 SS.

I am having fun in Pure Stock..
Can put back on the street with AC and the comforts the car came with.
Owned it from day one..

I agree NHRA does not need more classes.
My argument my car "as is" would best compete as NHRA R/SA.
Only have to add a few pages in the Rule Book.
Not asking for the moon !
Just want to race...!!

D

"Not asking for the moon!" Oh really!
You only want NHRA (which already has thousands of Stock Eliminator racers with cars built following the NHRA Cassification Guide and Rule Book), to change their long standing class structure, just so you can play in the NHRA "playground", but make up the classes and rules as YOU see fit! I am pretty sure that at least 99% of real NHRA Stockers don`t throw on a set of street tires and cruise to the local Burger Doodle hangout, they are RACE cars, that compete in a RACE class! I didn`t really like having to install a roll bar in my M/S Mustang either, but Stock rules required it, despite the fact that my car was never close to quick enough to need a bar as a bracket car.
You want to race, with no roll bar, without being fast enough to run the index, without spending some money to accomplish those things, sounds like Sportsman Bracket is perfect for you! But then, you also were not going to run NHRA anyhow, you had "other options", so why all the whining anyhow?

Dan Fahey · 10-18-2017, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rory McNeil

"Not asking for the moon!" Oh really!
You only want NHRA (which already has thousands of Stock Eliminator racers with cars built following the NHRA Cassification Guide and Rule Book), to change their long standing class structure, just so you can play in the NHRA "playground", but make up the classes and rules as YOU see fit! I am pretty sure that at least 99% of real NHRA Stockers don`t throw on a set of street tires and cruise to the local Burger Doodle hangout, they are RACE cars, that compete in a RACE class! I didn`t really like having to install a roll bar in my M/S Mustang either, but Stock rules required it, despite the fact that my car was never close to quick enough to need a bar as a bracket car.
You want to race, with no roll bar, without being fast enough to run the index, without spending some money to accomplish those things, sounds like Sportsman Bracket is perfect for you! But then, you also were not going to run NHRA anyhow, you had "other options", so why all the whining anyhow?

I was not whining.
HR9121 asked a fair question and was genuine and gave him a fair answer.
As for made up classes.
NHRA made up FS...what I am asking should not be an issue!
Just don’t get what I am asking NHRA to do ... is such a threat to you?

D

Alan Roehrich · 10-19-2017, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Well running 13 ohs most days, high 12's cool days.
K/SA is a 12.65 minimum based on what my car would easily weigh.
Would need a Roll Bar, small gas tank.
Have an 8.5 inch rear...would need to upgrade to a MW or Moser 12 bolt.

Jeff Warren built a good engine but would need better rods.
Then there is the need for new cam, springs, valves.
Because the PCM is limited to 7000rpm that would need replacing.

Using a 4L60E with a Locking YANK converter.
New cam would need more converter.
That would mean a rebuild and a new converter.
Then would need some chassis reinforcement to prevent breaking suspension supports.

Best numbers is a $15,000 investment.
Then would have to buy the expensive gasoline to meet NHRA rules.

What I hate the most is putting in a Roll Bar..
Like the fact I can get in and out of my car with out contortions.
At home can put my street tires on and take it for a drive.
Car has run a 12.68 on a cold day.

All those mods would get the car running low to mid 12s.
Maybe high 11's on a cold day.

I am having fun in Pure Stock..
Can put back on the street with AC and the comforts the car came with.
Owned it from day one..

I agree NHRA does not need more classes.
My argument my car "as is" would best compete as NHRA R/SA.
Only have to add a few pages in the Rule Book.
Not asking for the moon !
Just want to race...!!

D

Up there at the top of your post. Yeah, all of that. Everyone racing NHRA Stock Eliminator has already done all of that. But you, you want special exemption so that you can play on their field without making the same effort and expenditure.Yeah, to the people already in the class, you're asking for the moon, and being extremely disrespectful. It really is that damned simple, Dan.

We're currently parked, due to our jobs, and other things, such as my pending divorce. You don't see me on here crying for special exceptions so that we can race, and you won't. I have too much respect for our fellow racers to do that.

Dan Fahey · 10-19-2017, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Up there at the top of your post. Yeah, all of that. Everyone racing NHRA Stock Eliminator has already done all of that. But you, you want special exemption so that you can play on their field without making the same effort and expenditure.Yeah, to the people already in the class, you're asking for the moon, and being extremely disrespectful. It really is that damned simple, Dan.

We're currently parked, due to our jobs, and other things, such as my pending divorce. You don't see me on here crying for special exceptions so that we can race, and you won't. I have too much respect for our fellow racers to do that.

Alan:
How am I being disrespectful ??
I have the right to petition!
Not asking for special exemptions.
Just asking to be added to the Class Structure.
It would be a benefit to Stock everywhere.

Just do not understand the ire?

D

Alan Roehrich · 10-19-2017, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Alan:
How am I being disrespectful ??
I have the right to petition!
Not asking for special exemptions.
Just asking to be added to the Class Structure.
It would be a benefit to Stock everywhere.

Just do not understand the ire?

D

Adding special sections to the rules so that you can race your car, the way you want IS asking for special exceptions. The rules are written, every one racing in Stock Eliminator is following them. But not you. No, you feel you need special rules to suit you and your car.

No, it would NOT be beneficial to Stock Eliminator. It further waters down the class. It sure as Hell didn't work for IHRA, in case you missed it, they don't run Stock at all anymore. Wonder why?

How about this? The rules are set. There are plenty of cats and racers out there that race under the rules. If you want to play, build a car that fits the rules and race, like everyone else. Instead of thinking you're so special that the rules need to change for you.