Crate Motor Class

Bob Don · 10-19-2017, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

IHRA F/PS
Performance wise R/SA !
So easy to do!!
Allow my PS to run as a R/SA car.

D

Why don't you call yourself a U/SA? Then you could set the record!

Really???!!!

Dan Fahey · 10-19-2017, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Don

Why don't you call yourself a U/SA? Then you could set the record!

Really???!!!

Don;
I did not make an arbitrary statement.
You are a lot smarter than that..!

The IHRA Pure Stock limits the Spring and Cam which limits HP and RPM.
All cars are classified by HP and Weight then falls under a Class.
The F/PS and R/SA Indexes are close.
So if NHRA wanted to adopt Pure Stock this would be a logical consideration.
Then they would make adjustments as they do with all cars for best fitment.

NHRA did that adopting all the Corporate Crate Motor Factor Stock Cars!!

D

Ed Wright · 10-19-2017, 11:18 AM

Dan, those are factory race cars. They come with those engines. Not "crate motor" cars. Crying about it on the internet won't get NHRA to add those IHRA classes. Your not going to change it. They don't need you/them.

Build a car to fit, run someplace else, or go bracket racing. Hard for me to understand someone not simply building a car that could run anywhere to begin with. E T Bracket cars can, and cheaply.

Not all fast NHRA class cars have $6000.00 transmissions. Not all fast NHRA class cars have Warren Engines (or equivalent) professionally built engines. It's all more expensive for people that have to write big checks for everything.

Dan Fahey · 10-19-2017, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Dan, those are factory race cars. They come with those engines. Not "crate motor" cars. Crying about it on the internet won't get NHRA to add those IHRA classes. Your not going to change it. They don't need you/them.

Build a car to fit, run someplace else, or go bracket racing. Hard for me to understand someone not simply building a car that could run anywhere to begin with. E T Bracket cars can, and cheaply.

Not all fast NHRA class cars have $6000.00 transmissions. Not all fast NHRA class cars have Warren Engines (or equivalent) professionally built engines. It's all more expensive for people that have to write big checks for everything.

Ed;
I am not crying about it but having a conversation.
You guys are up in arms with all kinds of dirging comments.

The reason I went to Jeff because he does a good job at a fair price.
My local builder did not build Stocker engines and wanted to get it right.
Cost was the same except having to transport it.

As for $6000 transmissions...if you have one of those fast cars.
You are working the edges of performance and the cost that goes along with it.

Top Stocker Racers and FS at $100,000.00 + price tag better have one of those crack running trannys.

As for going to other venues... I will !!
Why do you make it sound like it is a bad thing?

D

Bob Mulry · 10-19-2017, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Don;
I did not make an arbitrary statement.
You are a lot smarter than that..!

The IHRA Pure Stock limits the Spring and Cam which limits HP and RPM.
All cars are classified by HP and Weight then falls under a Class.
The F/PS and R/SA Indexes are close.
So if NHRA wanted to adopt Pure Stock this would be a logical consideration.
Then they would make adjustments as they do with all cars for best fitment.

NHRA did that adopting all the Corporate Crate Motor Factor Stock Cars!!

D

Just so we all understand each other.....

What you want, are the NHRA rules written as what you perceive as correctly....

You are not the magnetic center of the Universe, as hard as it is for you to believe.....

The planets do not revolve around you....

By definition you are a contrarian who will fight to the death that your incorrect conclusion, is correct....

You happen to man without a country....

You are dressed up with no place to go...

I guess that I will also have to move on.....

See you around the pits, wait you have no place to race with your car as it sits now, so I guess that it will be my bad luck to keep coming across your inane posts on ClassRacer...

Alan Roehrich · 10-19-2017, 12:11 PM

Here Dan, let's make this extremely simple.

There are a bunch of guys playing baseball, with regulation baseballs, gloves, cleats, and wooden bats, on a regulation field. And now you come in with a softball and aluminum bat, and want the rules amended so that you can get in the middle of their game and make them play with you according to your rules.

And you don't understand their ire?

goinbroke2 · 10-19-2017, 12:13 PM

I have a really slow car...I want NHRA to bring back Z/SA....I'll post it on class racer and get 10,000 hits....nothing changed.....

While it is good to seek the recommendations and guidance from your peers, ultimately nothing will happen regardless of how many pages are written.
Forum members do not have the mechanism available to change a sanctioning bodies rules.

Write a proposal to NHRA. Accept the answer.

I bought gt40p heads and a roller shortblock for M/CM...guess what? It'll make a great bracket motor unless a local association still allows IHRA combo's.

I asked NHRA for hp off of the 300 6 cyl ford, they said no, I moved on.

KEN BUGAJ · 10-19-2017, 12:15 PM

I know I'm old but I remember running Pure Stock with my Z-28 back in 1968. It was at Utica-Rome Dragway. I thought they were NHRA ? RC may know ? I'm not asking for pure stock back !

j gardiner · 10-19-2017, 12:42 PM

I currently have an IHRA GT stock eliminator car that no longer has a specific class to race any longer. I can race the association races still. When I built this car close to 20 years ago IHRA had a very strong program and I didn't have any concern for running NHRA at that time. I and a lot of other people have seen the writing on the wall for a few years now, it still sucks that IHRA has given up on class racing. With that being said I do not expect NHRA to adopt these orphan classes and I am fine with that, they don't owe me anything. I will adapt and overcome and will be racing in 2018 one way or another.

Dan Fahey · 10-19-2017, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Mulry

Just so we all understand each other.....

What you want, are the NHRA rules written as what you perceive as correctly.... """ ( HEY Bob .. you may want to rewrite this sentence )""""

You are not the magnetic center of the Universe, as hard as it is for you to believe..... ( .... I am not a magnet )

The planets do not revolve around you.... ( yes they do.. in fact revolve around all of us )

By definition you are a contrarian who will fight to the death that your incorrect conclusion, is correct.... (the Correct Contrarian def: a person who opposes or rejects popular opinion)

You happen to man without a country.... """ ( HEY Bob .. you may want to rewrite this sentence )""""

You are dressed up with no place to go... ( Yes I have clothes on )

I guess that I will also have to move on..... ( ??)

See you around the pits, wait you have no place to race with your car as it sits now, so I guess that it will be my bad luck to keep coming across your inane posts on ClassRacer...

I don't get you guys?
What is wrong with asking NHRA to adopt Pure Stock ?
You don't get things done or changed without asking and making a good faith effort.

In the meantime got options with S/SS associations, local racing, NMCA, ECIRS, other organizations considering IHRA cars.
In fact can race in Canada with their races under the NHRA Banner.

How are these bad options expressed by your disparaging comments..!

I am not upset !!
Living the Life and having FUN !
My way !

D

10-19-2017, 11:18 AM	#3
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Crate Motor Class Dan, those are factory race cars. They come with those engines. Not "crate motor" cars. Crying about it on the internet won't get NHRA to add those IHRA classes. Your not going to change it. They don't need you/them. Build a car to fit, run someplace else, or go bracket racing. Hard for me to understand someone not simply building a car that could run anywhere to begin with. E T Bracket cars can, and cheaply. Not all fast NHRA class cars have $6000.00 transmissions. Not all fast NHRA class cars have Warren Engines (or equivalent) professionally built engines. It's all more expensive for people that have to write big checks for everything. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

10-19-2017, 12:11 PM	#6
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,116 Likes: 1,573 Liked 1,830 Times in 415 Posts	Re: Crate Motor Class Here Dan, let's make this extremely simple. There are a bunch of guys playing baseball, with regulation baseballs, gloves, cleats, and wooden bats, on a regulation field. And now you come in with a softball and aluminum bat, and want the rules amended so that you can get in the middle of their game and make them play with you according to your rules. And you don't understand their ire? __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

10-19-2017, 12:13 PM	#7
goinbroke2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NS CANADA Posts: 892 Likes: 1,631 Liked 393 Times in 153 Posts	Re: Crate Motor Class I have a really slow car...I want NHRA to bring back Z/SA....I'll post it on class racer and get 10,000 hits....nothing changed..... While it is good to seek the recommendations and guidance from your peers, ultimately nothing will happen regardless of how many pages are written. Forum members do not have the mechanism available to change a sanctioning bodies rules. Write a proposal to NHRA. Accept the answer. I bought gt40p heads and a roller shortblock for M/CM...guess what? It'll make a great bracket motor unless a local association still allows IHRA combo's. I asked NHRA for hp off of the 300 6 cyl ford, they said no, I moved on.

10-19-2017, 12:15 PM	#8
KEN BUGAJ Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: LEXINGTON NC. Posts: 389 Likes: 43 Liked 18 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Crate Motor Class I know I'm old but I remember running Pure Stock with my Z-28 back in 1968. It was at Utica-Rome Dragway. I thought they were NHRA ? RC may know ? I'm not asking for pure stock back ! Last edited by KEN BUGAJ; 10-19-2017 at 01:19 PM.

10-19-2017, 12:42 PM	#9
j gardiner Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: waldorf Posts: 221 Likes: 14 Liked 55 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Crate Motor Class I currently have an IHRA GT stock eliminator car that no longer has a specific class to race any longer. I can race the association races still. When I built this car close to 20 years ago IHRA had a very strong program and I didn't have any concern for running NHRA at that time. I and a lot of other people have seen the writing on the wall for a few years now, it still sucks that IHRA has given up on class racing. With that being said I do not expect NHRA to adopt these orphan classes and I am fine with that, they don't owe me anything. I will adapt and overcome and will be racing in 2018 one way or another.