Aftermarket/Replacement Cylinder Head Rule Change

[Larry Hill]

A lot of us folks down south just talk slow.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

This has nothing to do with socialism!
Do you know what that word means other than to use it as a dirge!?

Actually Dan, it does. In theory, everybody gets the same parts and we're all equal.
Only certain people, generally those who are personal acquaintances with the powers-that-be, get better parts and better deals on better stuff than the "common people" can get and afford. So certain people go faster and win more than everybody else.
It's kinda like that now but at least there are many more combos and more places to hide.

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Actually Dan, it does. In theory, everybody gets the same parts and we're all equal.
Only certain people, generally those who are personal acquaintances with the powers-that-be, get better parts and better deals on better stuff that the "common people" can get and afford. So certain people go faster and win more than everybody else.
It's kinda like that now but at least there are many more combos and more places to hide.

Like the US Army

[HR9121]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Actually Dan, it does. In theory, everybody gets the same parts and we're all equal.
Only certain people, generally those who are personal acquaintances with the powers-that-be, get better parts and better deals on better stuff that the "common people" can get and afford. So certain people go faster and win more than everybody else.
It's kinda like that now but at least there are many more combos and more places to hide.

Thank you Billy you beat me to the explanation for Dan. Spec motor is the perfect example of racing socialism!

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Sorry to remind you but a nice list of five or six "spec" motors could replace ALL the motors and limit costs, parts chasing, tech difficulty and limit number of overall classes stick and auto could get back to more "class racing" . Someone has to begin to constructively plan for the future of class racing. Racer could use current car and any of the motors based on lb per cubic inch instead of continual bogus hp movements to fit choice of classes.

No I am not currently racing so some are welcome to object to me offering thought but the BIG picture is the problem not the aftermarket fit of a head or ccs etc.

Dick, We're almost there already...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
The "bogus hp" combos keep it interesting.

[Bob Bender]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Like the US Army

Your not a Veteran so don't bring the Army into this you communist bastard! !!

[Bob Mulry]

It's just looking like this is one more nail in the coffin that will contain Stock Eliminator when the NHRA decides to bury us.....

Just like lambs being let to the slaughter....

And I made it bold on purpose because I am yelling

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by M Brand 505B

One of the listed heads is close in CC to the stock specs. This rule is good for guys in the cylinder head business. Now we need a head approved for the Pontiac.

Don't see why they couldn't approve the 72cc Edel D-ports for the '67-'70 D-port engines, the 87cc Edel D-ports for the D-port engines which came with 87cc or larger chamber heads, the 72cc Edel round ports for the RA2 & RA4 engines, and the 87cc Edel round ports, for the 455HO & the SD455 engines, for BOTH Stock & SS.

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/...r-d-port.shtml

As far as I know, only one E-head is approved, for a few Pontiac engines, in SS only. Don't see why they couldn't be approved for all Pontiac round port engines, Stock & SS.

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/...erformer.shtml

With the current market value of unmolested Pontiac factory round port heads, the E-heads could save thousands. Would also save time trying to locate some of the rare heads which could be used. These readily available E-heads would probably result in several Pontiac engine combos that VERY few have run, in recent years, simply because of the rarity & price of the heads.

As mentioned, the hp factor could be determined by performance. With all the other non-factory parts allowed in the engine, it seems rather ridiculous not to allow readily available & highly streetable aftermarket heads, such as the basic Pontiac E-heads, IMO. I mean, since aftermarket blocks, rods, pistons, unlimited duration cams, super strong valve springs, super light trannies that never came in the car, etc, etc, are allowed, what sense does it make to NOT allow the alum E-heads I mentioned ?

No dog in the hunt. Just joining the conversation. But, I would like to see more Pontiac Stockers allowed to run the E-heads. Hate to see that some of the best factory engine/body combos can't be run, because of the price & availability of the rare 40+ year old heads.

Merry Christmas, ya'll !

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by Bob Bender

Your not a Veteran so don't bring the Army into this you communist bastard! !!

I am a US citizen and veteran tax payer...and will use my Constitutional right to say anything I want.
And there is nothing you can do about it.

You do not even know what Communism is!
Except to use it as a dirge!
Because of my past I still do PT 3 times a week.
How about you?
At 66 can do 30 push ups 30 sit ups and 30 Body weight squats in under 5 minutes. Then add 5 Burpees to the morning mix.
I can run 3 - 4 soccer tournament games Friday, Saturdays and Sundays.
How about you Bob!?

US Army is a Socialist Organization.
Has to be it is not Capitalist. Like Blackwater.
SSI Medicare are Socialist entities...
Republican Party is closer to being communist because of its litmus test.
Your HOA or COA represent a communit entitie!
Try buying a home with out signing their agreement.

The Communism you refer too are oligarchies and Fiefdoms that took that ideology and flipped it on it head with their Dictatorships.

Much like the Rich Oligarchs are trying to do to our Democray with our mix of Capital, Corporatist, communal and Social systems.

Like Starting Fake wars and forcing other parents to send their kids to fight apnother country in made up conflicts none of us had a fight with.

Then these same leader betray our soldiers when they come home.
Regardless if it was Agent Orange or modern day PTSD.
I have a couple friend I trained with die from Agent Orange because conservative politics refused to admit the crap the US Government was slathering on Laos, Vietnam and Cambodia.

Did you know the US has a big program cleaning that up and unexploded ordinance.
Did you know the people exposed to this area had thousands of kids die and born with child defects...much like in the US.
btw it was not just Agent Orange, it was Blue, Red and other chemicals.

Our soldiers today have to take as many as 25 different injections to go to Iraq. Ever wonder why 21 commit suicide every day. Wonder why there are a lot of child defect issues?

I have wrestled several soldiers preventing them from killing themselves in the past. Couple time Taking their pistol away from them preventing them from shooting me or themselves!
Laying on them until medical help came to take them Away.
You never get past those scars!
I put them in jail, in hospitals, I took or bailed them out. Even house two them.
Most were combat trained killing veterans..with real head issues.
I know how hard they hit too!
Have counseled many in how to find a career and some of these dudes are bent.

So don’t ****ing lecture me...I have done my civic duty with honor!

D

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by HR9121

Thank you Billy you beat me to the explanation for Dan. Spec motor is the perfect example of racing socialism!

Not about equal...
It is about developing products for S and SS.
Those are capital systems...

You comment is off the mark.
You could say the same thing about Stockers using Roller Lifters making things equal..!

This was going to happen sooner or later.
Stock morphed from using all stock factory parts to custom built everything.
So much that custom blocks have to be made to keep things Equal!

NHRA now allows Solid Lifters...come on!
What is next?

Staying Pure Stock or Crate Motor are looking better everyday.

What do you call it today.. Junior Super Stock with 8000 rpm shifts
Or
Junior Modified Production Super Stock with 12000 rpm shifts
More safety gear and Roll bars and stuff pro level cars have?

Sooner or later NHRA is going to give these classes hair cuts.
Too much, too fast and more Insurance to cover risk!

D