Crate Motor Class

Ed Wright · 01-16-2018, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Beard

Apparently people have forgotten about the racer who was thrown out of Indy years ago because his heads looked "too stock".

Seriously?? Who was that?

Birch motor cars · 02-03-2018, 01:21 AM

I'll be honest with all of you that call your selves class racers, I just built a CM engine last year and never got it in the car because of the end of IHRA Class racing. I've been studying the NHRA rule book to come up with a combination to run in my car. The more I dig into things I'm finding out that the NHRA rule book allows all kinds of alternative parts from stock you can use to build your motor. I keep thinking to myself what is stock about this ? My Crate motor sitting on my shop floor is 1000 times more stock then any NHRA stock stuff. If your spending 5k on a set of stock heads, I hate to tell you there not stock anymore. My Crate motor is built to spec as a replacement engine mimicing an original GM engine. This being said it's nothing different then all of the replacement parts you all run in your so called year specific engines. To all of you haters look in the mirror, your engines are no different then a crate motor at the end of the day. I'm still open to building amother engine to class race with you gentleman in the NHRA. For God's sake why can't we all just get along and race together ?

X-TECH MAN · 02-03-2018, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Birch motor cars

I'll be honest with all of you that call your selves class racers, I just built a CM engine last year and never got it in the car because of the end of IHRA Class racing. I've been studying the NHRA rule book to come up with a combination to run in my car. The more I dig into things I'm finding out that the NHRA rule book allows all kinds of alternative parts from stock you can use to build your motor. I keep thinking to myself what is stock about this ? My Crate motor sitting on my shop floor is 1000 times more stock then any NHRA stock stuff. If your spending 5k on a set of stock heads, I hate to tell you there not stock anymore. My Crate motor is built to spec as a replacement engine mimicing an original GM engine. This being said it's nothing different then all of the replacement parts you all run in your so called year specific engines. To all of you haters look in the mirror, your engines are no different then a crate motor at the end of the day. I'm still open to building amother engine to class race with you gentleman in the NHRA. For God's sake why can't we all just get along and race together ?

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Bruce Noland · 02-03-2018, 12:28 PM

You're trying to drive square pegs into round holes. nhra is not going to accept ihra style Crate Motor cars. Build a Stocker, that's the only answer to "your" dilemma.

Ed Wright · 02-03-2018, 01:12 PM

Why would anybody not simply build a car that fit the rules of both associations? Guys that did that are not left out now. I raced IHRA every chance I had. It was obvious to me I would not want a car that could only run there. I wanted to support them best I could. Older guys that were racing when AHRA was around could see a resemblance. Besides the check I was never able to cash, I figured that deal was not going to last long.

Why in the world would half a dozen, or so, racers think another bigger association should just add classes & prize money for them? They need to simply own up to their own lapse in judgement. I would be busy re-doing my car.

Dwight Southerland · 02-03-2018, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

. . . nhra is not going to accept ihra style Crate Motor cars. Build a Stocker, that's the only answer to "your" dilemma.

Without getting snitty one way or the other, what Bruce says is the best description of the situation. Crate motor classes are not right or wrong, but there is simply not anybody racing them. So your only choice to race with a national organization is to build a stocker or a super stocker.

Ed Wright · 02-05-2018, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

Without getting snitty one way or the other, what Bruce says is the best description of the situation. Crate motor classes are not right or wrong, but there is simply not anybody racing them. So your only choice to race with a national organization is to build a stocker or a super stocker.

Ditto Pure Stock.

PozQB14 · 02-05-2018, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Ditto Pure Stock.

Ed I agree with you on pure stock. There's a handful but nothing significant, sorry Dan :-(, you're still a friend of mine. But as far as crate motors go, Rich wouldn't of created this new series for Division 2 if there wasn't enough of them to race. I can personally count 20 CM cars in Division 2 alone, there is a bunch in Canada as well. Will they all race this year? Who on this earth knows except for them.

02-03-2018, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Seriously?? Who was that?

Don Himes. RIP

Dan Lattimore · 02-04-2018, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

Don Himes. RIP

Todd --- Was that the 400 motor in the Grand Prix ? If so I can attest -- Three angles and cc'd that's it.

02-03-2018, 01:21 AM	#2
Birch motor cars Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 42 Likes: 1 Liked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: Crate Motor Class I'll be honest with all of you that call your selves class racers, I just built a CM engine last year and never got it in the car because of the end of IHRA Class racing. I've been studying the NHRA rule book to come up with a combination to run in my car. The more I dig into things I'm finding out that the NHRA rule book allows all kinds of alternative parts from stock you can use to build your motor. I keep thinking to myself what is stock about this ? My Crate motor sitting on my shop floor is 1000 times more stock then any NHRA stock stuff. If your spending 5k on a set of stock heads, I hate to tell you there not stock anymore. My Crate motor is built to spec as a replacement engine mimicing an original GM engine. This being said it's nothing different then all of the replacement parts you all run in your so called year specific engines. To all of you haters look in the mirror, your engines are no different then a crate motor at the end of the day. I'm still open to building amother engine to class race with you gentleman in the NHRA. For God's sake why can't we all just get along and race together ? Last edited by Birch motor cars; 02-03-2018 at 01:35 AM.

02-03-2018, 12:28 PM	#4
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Crate Motor Class You're trying to drive square pegs into round holes. nhra is not going to accept ihra style Crate Motor cars. Build a Stocker, that's the only answer to "your" dilemma. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

02-03-2018, 01:12 PM	#5
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: Crate Motor Class Why would anybody not simply build a car that fit the rules of both associations? Guys that did that are not left out now. I raced IHRA every chance I had. It was obvious to me I would not want a car that could only run there. I wanted to support them best I could. Older guys that were racing when AHRA was around could see a resemblance. Besides the check I was never able to cash, I figured that deal was not going to last long. Why in the world would half a dozen, or so, racers think another bigger association should just add classes & prize money for them? They need to simply own up to their own lapse in judgement. I would be busy re-doing my car. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA