Fontana divisional rumor

[onestocker]

Originally Posted by Mike Graham

Justin
I am not sure you understand.
Some of us blue collar racers do not have a crew to take care of our equipment. It may be a surprise,but some of us build and maintain our own cars. We enjoy working on and testing our stuff. This does nothing for the racers that want to show up on Saturday. They always had that option. Now we are all going to be parking and teching at the same time. Saturday will be the only time hit. What could go wrong there?
Let me be clear.THIS DOES NOTHING TO SAVE THE RACERS MONEY!!!
Since you are our rep maybe we can discuss this while I am not supporting our sport
Would Bowling Green,Joliet,Bristol, or Tulsa work for you? I will be "hanging out" there
in the next month. I can fire up the barbie and we can dine while my crew takes care of my equipment.

Mike I'm not sure you get the picture here... you dont sound like much of a blue collar racer you sound more like a retired wealthy man that apparently can afford to travel the united states and go racing whenever he wants and show up on Wednesday tech then have the option of test and tune on Thursday and besides if you need to test your cars why not support your local track on any other off weekend and prepare your car before you get to the race that way you are race ready when you get there , and i believe Mr Justin has a job and works and has 2 young children and maintains 4 race cars i dont recall ever seeing him with a "crew" ..... as a majority of us "blue collar" Working class people that cant afford to take multiple days off to race and test on Thursdays we have to take long nights after work working on our race cars then driving into the night and showing up late in the evening to wake up early in the morning to tech and race ....how do you expect new people to get into stock or any other class if it only caters to the retired people that dont have to clock in and out and work overtime just so they can show up on a Thursday when you can show up on a Friday night and still get the same amount of runs in on Saturday and race on Sunday and besides fontana is still going to have a test session on Friday so if you really need to test your car you can on Friday and be ready for sat

[MR DERBY CITY]

Let me make this issue crystal clear. These Two day points meets are not about SAVING racers money. That is a friggen laugh. If I can’t afford to take the extra day off work then I don’t need to be racing anyway...I applaud Kyle Seipel for recruiting sponsors for his points race. If he needs to trim the overhead to increase his bottom line then so be it. I believe he has proven himself to be an excellent race promoter.....Yes, all D 2 points races are two days....sorry, I won’t be attending any.... You can schedule two day points racers when you have small fields.... but when Mother Nature intervenes good luck with that.....

[onestocker]

Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY

Let me make this issue crystal clear. These Two day points meets are not about SAVING racers money. That is a friggen laugh. If I can’t afford to take the extra day off work then I don’t need to be racing anyway...I applaud Kyle Seipel for recruiting sponsors for his points race. If he needs to trim the overhead to increase his bottom line then so be it. I believe he has proven himself to be an excellent race promoter.....Yes, all D 2 points races are two days....sorry, I won’t be attending any.... You can schedule two day points racers when you have small fields.... but when Mother Nature intervenes good luck with that.....

lol

[Mike Graham]

Originally Posted by onestocker

Mike I'm not sure you get the picture here... you dont sound like much of a blue collar racer you sound more like a retired wealthy man that apparently can afford to travel the united states and go racing whenever he wants and show up on Wednesday tech then have the option of test and tune on Thursday and besides if you need to test your cars why not support your local track on any other off weekend and prepare your car before you get to the race that way you are race ready when you get there , and i believe Mr Justin has a job and works and has 2 young children and maintains 4 race cars i dont recall ever seeing him with a "crew" ..... as a majority of us "blue collar" Working class people that cant afford to take multiple days off to race and test on Thursdays we have to take long nights after work working on our race cars then driving into the night and showing up late in the evening to wake up early in the morning to tech and race ....how do you expect new people to get into stock or any other class if it only caters to the retired people that dont have to clock in and out and work overtime just so they can show up on a Thursday when you can show up on a Friday night and still get the same amount of runs in on Saturday and race on Sunday and besides fontana is still going to have a test session on Friday so if you really need to test your car you can on Friday and be ready for sat

Who ever you are?
You don't know me. You have no idea When and where I race. I don't need to test. I enjoy it. We race both cars at the summit and ADRA races and support multiple combo associations. Having a 3 day race does not require you to attend all 3 days. Some very successful racers show up Sat for one hit and then go racing. That is your OPTION. Going to 2 days takes away my OPTION of showing up early. I have no problem with the track making a profit. If they don't we will not have a place to race. If they are not making a profit then raise the price. Anyone that believes that the $170 that it costs to enter one these races is a significant percentage of the cost to race is either very efficient or delusional. I am going with delusional.
Things go wrong at races, so when you compress the schedule there is no time to recover. Track prep will suffer. Safety will suffer. The fun factor will suffer. If this works then great. D7,Fontana,1 day, I don't think so. I choose to sit this one out.

[Jim Caughlin]

Comments:

Div 6 has raised entry to $185 so be happy you are only paying $170?

Why are crew passes sometimes more expensive than spectator passes?

I agree with Mike's comments about 2 day races, supposedly we are doing this for fun, if this is a business venture why don't try to squeeze into one day and make it even more cost effective?

Regarding comments that 2 day races should have prorated entry fees, that brings up another question; where does the extra money go to when there are either 5 cars in the quarters of 3 cars in the semis? Why doesn't that get prorated back in?

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019

[onestocker]

Originally Posted by Mike Graham

Who ever you are?
You don't know me. You have no idea When and where I race. I don't need to test. I enjoy it. We race both cars at the summit and ADRA races and support multiple combo associations. Having a 3 day race does not require you to attend all 3 days. Some very successful racers show up Sat for one hit and then go racing. That is your OPTION. Going to 2 days takes away my OPTION of showing up early. I have no problem with the track making a profit. If they don't we will not have a place to race. If they are not making a profit then raise the price. Anyone that believes that the $170 that it costs to enter one these races is a significant percentage of the cost to race is either very efficient or delusional. I am going with delusional.
Things go wrong at races, so when you compress the schedule there is no time to recover. Track prep will suffer. Safety will suffer. The fun factor will suffer. If this works then great. D7,Fontana,1 day, I don't think so. I choose to sit this one out.

if the entry fees bother you look at other venues the weekend after the divisional theirs a big dollar bracket race 3 races that pay 3k 4.5k 4.5k for 325$ 3 races that pay more then the divisional that cost only 108$ per race sounds like a lot more fun with a lot more opportunity's to win

[Mike Graham]

Originally Posted by onestocker

you couldn't say it better yourself who are you? you seemed to take it upon yourself to bash Justin assuming he has some big crew that works on all his stuff that he just flys in and flys out to races shows up and races
do you know him? do you know his schedule? maybe he also enjoys working on his stuff and testing as you stated you like to do yourself

If you would actually read both posts you would not see anywhere I bashed Justin. Just stating my opinion on 2 day races. On the other hand he did question my commitment to NHRA racing without checking the facts. Like I said, not bashing Justin. (you on the other hand, that might be fun)

[onestocker]

Originally Posted by Mike Graham

If you would actually read both posts you would not see anywhere I bashed Justin. Just stating my opinion on 2 day races. On the other hand he did question my commitment to NHRA racing without checking the facts. Like I said, not bashing Justin. (you on the other hand, that might be fun)

then i apologize but it seemed like you were

[novassdude]

I think 2 days on Saturday and Sunday is fine if they have a test and tune Friday it is pretty much like a 3 day race. I do disagree with having Friday Saturday 2 day races. That hurts the working guy trying to make the races.

[Jim Caughlin]

Originally Posted by novassdude

I think 2 days on Saturday and Sunday is fine if they have a test and tune Friday it is pretty much like a 3 day race. I do disagree with having Friday Saturday 2 day races. That hurts the working guy trying to make the races.

Explain to me how this is the same? Under this situation, you have to pay the extra test and tune fee to get the runs on Friday that used to be included in the previous three day entry fee plus they don't count toward qualifying and that's fair?

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019