Wondering what stock racers think

[Alan Roehrich]

Question for my good friends the Parker brothers, and I'm just asking so people will understand what you're wanting. I'm not arguing or disagreeing, more hoping to inspire a productive discussion.



What is your goal for lowering the indexes? What are you hoping to accomplish?






As for some of the other suggestions, I've been advocating one pound weight breaks starting at 7.0 pounds per factored HP for several years now, with A/S and A/SA being 7.0 pounds. As well as adding class eliminations after the first round of qualifying at every event.


Smart racers are always going to protect their combination, they'd be idiots, and real slow before long, if they didn't.


It should be painfully obvious to anyone who is thinking, we do not want another HP committee, not with NHRA people, and not with racers either. There probably are much better ways to manage the class than the current AHFS as it is, but that's an entirely different discussion.

[Gary Parker]

Alan...
I know there are many that can go 1 second under. Most because of hard work. Just do not think it is right we get horsepower for all our hard work. Like I said the AHFS was for new cars rated way off and the under rated combos that have never been factored. If not lowering the indexes, raise the trigger. There are some combos that are hard to make run a second under. But over time most should be able to run pretty good if worked on. They take horsepower off cars that do not go fast. I wonder if some of those combos have not been thrashed on. Its easier to run slow and let NHRA take horsepower off. I know no answer is easy. But I was wondering how people with race cars felt. As we have been told for my 40 years of running stock. We are a performance based class. Thanks Alan

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Gary Parker

Alan...
I know there are many that can go 1 second under. Most because of hard work. Just do not think it is right we get horsepower for all our hard work. Like I said the AHFS was for new cars rated way off and the under rated combos that have never been factored. If not lowering the indexes, raise the trigger. There are some combos that are hard to make run a second under. But over time most should be able to run pretty good if worked on. They take horsepower off cars that do not go fast. I wonder if some of those combos have not been thrashed on. Its easier to run slow and let NHRA take horsepower off. I know no answer is easy. But I was wondering how people with race cars felt. As we have been told for my 40 years of running stock. We are a performance based class. Thanks Alan

Fair enough Gary.


My only question is, and again, not arguing, where does it stop?


Meaning, you worked hard to get to 1.00 under. But the reason is, you're never satisfied (mark of a good racer, never satisfied, always looking for that next 0.05) with how fast you are. So, when you get to 1.25 under, what then?


I agree, it IS, or maybe is supposed to be, we sure wish it was, a performance based class.


I'm asking "where does it stop?" because that's what a lot of people are going to want to know. When are you going to no longer ask for a lower index, or a higher trigger?


And honestly, I think that you're far better off, and more likely to get more people on board, in asking for the AHFS to be modified.


Maybe change the "look at the combination" trigger from 0.85 under to 1.05 under, and bump the instant to 1.25 under. It doesn't lower the indexes, so people struggling, for what ever reason, won't complain.

[stock1080]

If you have noticed at all the stock and super stock races. The ages of the people in the staging lanes are not getting any younger. Since Stock and Super stock is now just bracket racing, except for the few heads up at times. Why do you think that the local racers at all the tracks we are "guest" at don't want to build "class cars"? I think it's because of the cost of going "fast". If we had more "players" maybe the payouts and the Decal monies would be more. The whole system is broken. NHRA adds HP to a combo that goes to fast? WHAT? With no teardown! I say raise the trigger. Teardown for the combo that does go over. For racers that want to go fast, go! For people that don't want to spend the monies or don't have the time to test can still race. More racers, more entry fee, more pay out. Thanks for listening,

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by stock1080

If you have noticed at all the stock and super stock races. The ages of the people in the staging lanes are not getting any younger. Since Stock and Super stock is now just bracket racing, except for the few heads up at times. Why do you think that the local racers at all the tracks we are "guest" at don't want to build "class cars"? I think it's because of the cost of going "fast". If we had more "players" maybe the payouts and the Decal monies would be more. The whole system is broken. NHRA adds HP to a combo that goes to fast? WHAT? With no teardown! I say raise the trigger. Teardown for the combo that does go over. For racers that want to go fast, go! For people that don't want to spend the monies or don't have the time to test can still race. More racers, more entry fee, more pay out. Thanks for listening,

Few young people have the time, money or resources to do an essentially frame up restoration to be competitive.

When the next generation passes away....
NHRA is going to have to think about what defines Stock and SS.
Sure they are already doing that.

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