DQ at ATCO

voltdr · 08-19-2018, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by David Lee

the reason was given but not actually what caused to him to get pissed off

Why does that matter?
Dan

FED 387 · 08-19-2018, 12:28 PM

don't know don't care whatever the reason NHRA did not like either of these peoples actions so this is what happens-- all I'm thinking is it must have been a pretty flagrant offense to warrant this kind of punishment---FED 387

Jared Jordan · 08-19-2018, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by voltdr

Why does that matter?
Dan

Why doesn’t it? Some of us may have to race said racer someday. To boot, NHRA’s description of the incident is vague, at best. So, what did he do that was bad enough that NHRA decides to excuse him for the rest of the year? All that’s been said is he crossed into another competitor’s lane. I’ve both seen and done the same in the shutdown area trying to swing wide for a turn-off, for example. That mean I’m in danger of being DQ’d and suspended?

I don’t think it appropriate to sling dirt, but there’s also no good reason to play hide the ball with facts. Personally not interested in the alleged “threat” after the fact, either.

MR DERBY CITY · 08-19-2018, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jared Jordan

Why doesn’t it? Some of us may have to race said racer someday. To boot, NHRA’s description of the incident is vague, at best. So, what did he do that was bad enough that NHRA decides to excuse him for the rest of the year? All that’s been said is he crossed into another competitor’s lane. I’ve both seen and done the same in the shutdown area trying to swing wide for a turn-off, for example. That mean I’m in danger of being DQ’d and suspended?

I don’t think it appropriate to sling dirt, but there’s also no good reason to play hide the ball with facts. Personally not interested in the alleged “threat” after the fact, either.

I agree, NHRA’s description of offenses is always VAGUE.....
I would still like to know what Leah P. did to accumulate such a hefty fine months ago ?? ..I have to hand it to D1.......That was one wild points race at ATCO.....the behind the scenes action was intense....

vic guilmino · 08-19-2018, 09:05 PM

go to the video tape
watch the race

Ken Miele · 08-19-2018, 10:17 PM

Before this thread gets carried away, let me give you the facts. I know both drivers very well. Tex Miller was racing Thomas Fletcher in a qualifying pass. Thomas was having an issue with the car. It was running rough, and he had a little trouble staging. When he staged the car, he lit both bulbs, he backed out as Tex was not pre staged yet. Tex then lit the pre stage bulb, got on his two step and lit the stage bulb. Thomas only had his pre stage bulb on. I'm not sure why Tex was on the two step so fast when Thomas was not fully staged yet. Thomas, still having issues slowly bumped in, it took about 9 seconds, auto start is 10 seconds for sportsman racers.

If you go to the live stream at the 46.20 mark you can see what took place on the starting line. After the run at the turn off Thomas ask Tex, why did you cut in front of me as we were shutting down. Tex was very upset and verbally abusive because he thought Thomas burned him down. Thomas apologized and told Tex he was having issues with the car. Tex was still upset and was pretty hard on Thomas. Thomas kept his cool and went to the scales. Tex, still not happy with Thomas got to the scales and voiced his frustration again at Thomas but in front of the officials. I can understand being upset if you think your opponent is messing with you on the staring line, but this was a qualifier. Even if it was the case, causing a possible injury by cutting them off on the race track is wrong. It dangerous enough on the track, we don't need this type of behavior.

Just before the run I was talking to Tex, he was right behind me in the lanes, he seemed like he was in a good mood and we had a good conversation, I was shocked at what happened. I know tempers flair at the track at times, but this is something that should have never happened. Sometimes we need to take a step back, after all we do this for fun. There are to many bad things happening in our every day lives, we don't need it at the track.

Bucky · 08-22-2018, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY

I agree, NHRA’s description of offenses is always VAGUE.....
I would still like to know what Leah P. did to accumulate such a hefty fine months ago ?? ..I have to hand it to D1.......That was one wild points race at ATCO.....the behind the scenes action was intense....

I know this isn't work. But when it comes to discipline, it's similar. When we have an employee issue that requires action, particularly when it is someone who isn't liked by someone else, the discipline is mostly kept between the supervisor/manager and the employee. Nobody else is entitled to know what the results were. It never fails...later, someone will say that nothing ever happens to this guy and nothing was done about this time and that. It's like they want every detail about what happened and what was done. And frankly, they want to be in charge of what is done. It simply doesn't, and shouldn't, work that way. Should all of a person's dirty laundry and what happens behind closed doors be public knowledge? I believe in transparency. But there are limits to it.

Dan Fahey · 08-22-2018, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucky

I know this isn't work. But when it comes to discipline, it's similar. When we have an employee issue that requires action, particularly when it is someone who isn't liked by someone else, the discipline is mostly kept between the supervisor/manager and the employee. Nobody else is entitled to know what the results were. It never fails...later, someone will say that nothing ever happens to this guy and nothing was done about this time and that. It's like they want every detail about what happened and what was done. And frankly, they want to be in charge of what is done. It simply doesn't, and shouldn't, work that way. Should all of a person's dirty laundry and what happens behind closed doors be public knowledge? I believe in transparency. But there are limits to it.

When person who uses his car as a weapon!
When that same person threatens another person face to face !
When this person has a history of cranky behavior!

Yes, the community needs to know!

D

Dan Fletcher · 08-22-2018, 08:08 AM

Tex is a jerk. Tex acted like a jerk. Tex deserved to have his teeth knocked out, but that couldn't happen given the NHRA backdrop and age disparity. Tex has consequences to deal with, and no matter how big of a dick he is, I'd have to assume he's pretty embarrassed.

Let's put a fork in this and move along...

sox · 08-22-2018, 08:22 AM

Dan, you should be dang proud of your son. He took the lumps in a no win situation and held his composure. I had a similar situation from a mother of a child I coached in little league. I just stood and took it and was not my fault. Its stings for a bit but it will pass. I would hope my kid would handle it as well as Thomas did. Kids reflect their parents and looks like you raised a great young man.

08-19-2018, 12:28 PM	#2
FED 387 VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,422 Likes: 532 Liked 333 Times in 180 Posts	Re: DQ at ATCO don't know don't care whatever the reason NHRA did not like either of these peoples actions so this is what happens-- all I'm thinking is it must have been a pretty flagrant offense to warrant this kind of punishment---FED 387

08-19-2018, 09:05 PM	#5
vic guilmino Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: wv Posts: 884 Likes: 42 Liked 56 Times in 21 Posts	Re: DQ at ATCO go to the video tape watch the race __________________ Vic Guilmino 1129 STK

08-19-2018, 10:17 PM	#6
Ken Miele Live Reporter Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 4,862 Likes: 461 Liked 16,563 Times in 1,523 Posts	Re: DQ at ATCO Before this thread gets carried away, let me give you the facts. I know both drivers very well. Tex Miller was racing Thomas Fletcher in a qualifying pass. Thomas was having an issue with the car. It was running rough, and he had a little trouble staging. When he staged the car, he lit both bulbs, he backed out as Tex was not pre staged yet. Tex then lit the pre stage bulb, got on his two step and lit the stage bulb. Thomas only had his pre stage bulb on. I'm not sure why Tex was on the two step so fast when Thomas was not fully staged yet. Thomas, still having issues slowly bumped in, it took about 9 seconds, auto start is 10 seconds for sportsman racers. If you go to the live stream at the 46.20 mark you can see what took place on the starting line. After the run at the turn off Thomas ask Tex, why did you cut in front of me as we were shutting down. Tex was very upset and verbally abusive because he thought Thomas burned him down. Thomas apologized and told Tex he was having issues with the car. Tex was still upset and was pretty hard on Thomas. Thomas kept his cool and went to the scales. Tex, still not happy with Thomas got to the scales and voiced his frustration again at Thomas but in front of the officials. I can understand being upset if you think your opponent is messing with you on the staring line, but this was a qualifier. Even if it was the case, causing a possible injury by cutting them off on the race track is wrong. It dangerous enough on the track, we don't need this type of behavior. Just before the run I was talking to Tex, he was right behind me in the lanes, he seemed like he was in a good mood and we had a good conversation, I was shocked at what happened. I know tempers flair at the track at times, but this is something that should have never happened. Sometimes we need to take a step back, after all we do this for fun. There are to many bad things happening in our every day lives, we don't need it at the track.

08-22-2018, 08:08 AM	#9
Dan Fletcher Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Churchville, NY Posts: 493 Likes: 129 Liked 1,045 Times in 70 Posts	Re: DQ at ATCO Tex is a jerk. Tex acted like a jerk. Tex deserved to have his teeth knocked out, but that couldn't happen given the NHRA backdrop and age disparity. Tex has consequences to deal with, and no matter how big of a dick he is, I'd have to assume he's pretty embarrassed. Let's put a fork in this and move along... __________________ Dan Fletcher 1781 STK, SS, COMP, SG, SC DAN FLETCHER TRAILER SALES

08-22-2018, 08:22 AM	#10
sox Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 99 Likes: 21 Liked 13 Times in 8 Posts	Re: DQ at ATCO Dan, you should be dang proud of your son. He took the lumps in a no win situation and held his composure. I had a similar situation from a mother of a child I coached in little league. I just stood and took it and was not my fault. Its stings for a bit but it will pass. I would hope my kid would handle it as well as Thomas did. Kids reflect their parents and looks like you raised a great young man.