Make the Chevrolet Win

[Bob Smith]

After reading all posts thus far, Todd Hoven and David Barton make the most intelligent and informative points. Thank you for explaining to the non FSS racers (but still fans). Agree with the NHRA decision.

[BG56]

So the "Non-DSR" Dodges are at a disadvantage too? Have they got the same stuff? Is this heading towards "spec" engines? (To make it fair)

[Mike Jones]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

I think Geoff Turk and the DSR cars have BES Power, Welch I think Mike Moran works for him or does his, and Chris Holbrook and Mike are close, and Roy does the motors on the car Allen Johnson drives which has shared ownership with me.

Jeff,
As a car owner, how important is the 9" tire rule to you?
Thank you, Mike

[Jeff Teuton]

The 9" tire will help control the class and put more pressure on the tuners to keep them going straight.

[Tim Kish]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

The 9" tire will help control the class and put more pressure on the tuners to keep them going straight.

Or turn the class into a crash up derby like the radial events.

Cubic dollars will destroy the class as it does every heads up class in existence. There is no such thing as "entry level" or "sportsman" in a heads up class, someone will always come along and outspend you.

[Stephen Bell]

We are all entitled to our opinions, but here are the facts:
1. Dodge doesn’t race a production a race car. The engine didn’t come in the car from the factory. The car has been significantly modified.
2. Ford and Chevy do race a car with the engine that the car came with.
3. The top three CJ’s and Copo’s consistently run with in .03’s of each other!
4. Dodge is outrunning the other combinations by 6 mph, at 20-25 hp per mph there is no way they don’t have 100-150 more hp than CJ’s and Copo’s. 1.25 60ft times and out running the other brands by .10-.12 every run at Indy is factual.
5. These cars are showcasing the manufacturer’s and how cool stock eliminator cars are! What will ruin the class is out of control spending. This class needs to be regulated by a combination of weight and pulley size. If this doesn’t happen there will not be full fields in the future and the class will go away.

My opinion is that the class is pretty cool! I like that Dodge has their act together and is really fast. I don’t like showing up the the races with no chance of winning unless a Dodge has a mechanical failure or spins the tires(at 1.25 60ft and 20degrees of timing out of the car for over second it will never happen). I think that Ford and Chevrolet are working on improvements for next year and will close the gap. The cars need to run 7.90’s@175 and that’s it. It’s very marketable that a production car from the factory can do that and it’s relatable. From a performance standpoint anything more than that the engines don’t live and there is only so much a 3,500lb car and a 9 inch tire can do safely! I also think that Dave Ley and Danny Garcia have done a great job trying to keep this class in its box. NHRA is doing what they can to understand this class and it’s future. It is a new class and needs some tweaking, but if done correctly it will be a viable platform for some great racing!

S.Bell

[troublemaker427]

Great post!!!

Originally Posted by Stephen Bell

We are all entitled to our opinions, but here are the facts:
1. Dodge doesn’t race a production a race car. The engine didn’t come in the car from the factory. The car has been significantly modified.
2. Ford and Chevy do race a car with the engine that the car came with.
3. The top three CJ’s and Copo’s consistently run with in .03’s of each other!
4. Dodge is outrunning the other combinations by 6 mph, at 20-25 hp per mph there is no way they don’t have 100-150 more hp than CJ’s and Copo’s. 1.25 60ft times and out running the other brands by .10-.12 every run at Indy is factual.
5. These cars are showcasing the manufacturer’s and how cool stock eliminator cars are! What will ruin the class is out of control spending. This class needs to be regulated by a combination of weight and pulley size. If this doesn’t happen there will not be full fields in the future and the class will go away.

My opinion is that the class is pretty cool! I like that Dodge has their act together and is really fast. I don’t like showing up the the races with no chance of winning unless a Dodge has a mechanical failure or spins the tires(at 1.25 60ft and 20degrees of timing out of the car for over second it will never happen). I think that Ford and Chevrolet are working on improvements for next year and will close the gap. The cars need to run 7.90’s@175 and that’s it. It’s very marketable that a production car from the factory can do that and it’s relatable. From a performance standpoint anything more than that the engines don’t live and there is only so much a 3,500lb car and a 9 inch tire can do safely! I also think that Dave Ley and Danny Garcia have done a great job trying to keep this class in its box. NHRA is doing what they can to understand this class and it’s future. It is a new class and needs some tweaking, but if done correctly it will be a viable platform for some great racing!

S.Bell

[davidhuff]

WOW,so the Dodge Parts are not available to all racers that would want to build a race car for this class?
How did this happen?

[Jim Kaekel]

Originally Posted by Tim Kish

Or turn the class into a crash up derby like the radial events.

Cubic dollars will destroy the class as it does every heads up class in existence. There is no such thing as "entry level" or "sportsman" in a heads up class, someone will always come along and outspend you.

Agreed 100%. I try to explain that fact to non-racers all of the time.

[Jeff Teuton]

Well, let's see if this gap is as wide as promoted. The blown cars I sold (touchy, feely, sold them) had a steel block, which was replaced by an aluminum block. Don't know if that is good or bad. Who else has an aluminum block? Had the blower on it which was changed later to match the Chevrolet and I don't know if everyone yet today has the same blower. To my knowledge the heads are the same as when the cars were made in 2015 no matter what anyone says. I think we had a hemi head in the early 50's and still do. I think that counts as a factory head. Got one on the 5.7, 6.1, 6.4, (actually there are three heads for the 6.4 if anyone is interested) not counting the one on the Hellcat and Demon motors. That head also came on the 426 unblown motor. and I think a 426 unblown motor is in development for factory cars. The Leah car was mine and was in the process of becoming an FS car when Kevin and I abandoned the project and sent it back to them and them sent it to DSR. The Cowboy car was Bartons and had run with a 426 unblown motor. The Allen and Roy Johnson car was my No 10 in the 10 cyl cars, and was in the trailer when I wrecked a couple of years ago. Lots of work to get it back where it was useable as a race car. There are so many details on these cars since 2008, I can't remember them. Nostalgia Note, the Leah car is the original #2 car from Denver debut in 2008. It was actually the first car produced, but somehow got #2. No 1 is laying around the Detroit area somewhere. Kevin car probable remember some other things. Maybe not. There was a proposal to have an unblown heads class with a sponsor, prize money paid and all expenses which NHRA promptly turned down. I wear a size 13 shoe, weigh 275 lbs (real fatso), went to my first race in 1958 and drove the first time in 1960, have had two knees changed, one hip, one shoulder and another getting changed in a few months. I have been a Dodge dealer since July 1968 (along with my brother Joe). My brother's side of the family owns every Kenworth dealer in Louisiana. I will be 75 in three or so weeks. I retired a few months ago after 50 years of looking at Hemi heads. I have sold more Drag Paks than any other dealer in the Nation. There is more but that old people disease CRS takes over after a while. Excuse my rambllings, but I was there when most of you were not, and I remember some of it. Kevin might know some of the rest.