If an advocate could be found - what would you say?

Bruce Noland · 02-17-2019, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny5160

I'm interested in a little more insight than the sportsman racing version of "it's a Jeep thing, you wouldn't understand."

Ok, specifically you made a comment about your opinion not being of any real value on this thread. And I said you were wrong, but I did not specifically address the value of your comment. Now you're not happy about being wrong.

Lenny5160 · 02-17-2019, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Ok, specifically you made a comment about your opinion not being of any real value on this thread. And I said you were wrong but did I not specifically address the value of your comment. Now you're not happy about being wrong.

I said that I'm happy to be wrong as long as I can learn something from it. I'm asking to be educated. You saying "just because" isn't adding value.

Bruce Noland · 02-17-2019, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny5160

I said that I'm happy to be wrong as long as I can learn something from it. I'm asking to be educated. You saying "just because" isn't adding value.

Just Because? Last time for you. You posted that I might think your comment had no value. And then you said you would be happy to be wrong if that was not the case. I said you were wrong about this comment. That is, your comments do have value.

Now we have to return to the original intent of this thread. We have wondered in the woods long enough!

Lenny5160 · 02-17-2019, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Just Because? Last time for you. You posted that I might think your comment had no value. And then you said you would be happy to be wrong if that was not the case. I said you were wrong about this comment. That is, your comments do have value.

Now we have to return to the original intent of this thread. We have wondered in the woods long enough!

I don't want sportsman racing eliminated from national events, nor do I think it is going to happen anytime soon. If it did, I don't think it would be the end of the world.

I guess the class eliminations portion will remain a mystery to me, which isn't going to help me come around to your point of view. I'm sorry that intelligent discussion is too much to ask here. Maybe in another venue someday.

GUMP · 02-17-2019, 03:38 PM

At the Orlando points meet I was the only car that pitted on the "spectator" side. I had a pretty steady flow of visitors. Almost every one of them asked me what the deal was with the way all the super class cars ran. I did my best to explain to them what was going on, but don't feel that I really won them over. Maybe this can be fixed with better announcing? I think that a lot more could be done to make sportsman racing more "fan friendly".

As a side note, the stands have been packed for Lights Out........

CMcAllister · 02-17-2019, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

At the Orlando points meet I was the only car that pitted on the "spectator" side. I had a pretty steady flow of visitors. Almost every one of them asked me what the deal was with the way all the super class cars ran. I did my best to explain to them what was going on, but don't feel that I really won them over. Maybe this can be fixed with better announcing? I think that a lot more could be done to make sportsman racing more "fan friendly".

As a side note, the stands have been packed for Lights Out........

Over 15,000 watching online and over 15,000 (SRO) at the track yesterday. They're having a meeting in California tomorrow to discuss making RVW, X275 and N/T new eliminators. .

jmcarter · 02-17-2019, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CMcAllister

Over 15,000 watching online and over 15,000 (SRO) at the track yesterday. They're having a meeting in California tomorrow to discuss making RVW, X275 and N/T new eliminators. .

They already run No Prep at the Division races, call it test and tune or something like that. Sadly, I had to ponder a moment to consider if your comment was in jest.

Dave Gantz · 02-17-2019, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

At the Orlando points meet I was the only car that pitted on the "spectator" side. I had a pretty steady flow of visitors. Almost every one of them asked me what the deal was with the way all the super class cars ran. I did my best to explain to them what was going on, but don't feel that I really won them over. Maybe this can be fixed with better announcing? I think that a lot more could be done to make sportsman racing more "fan friendly".

As a side note, the stands have been packed for Lights Out........

Spectators, understandably, expect flat out, who gets there first wins racing. Dial-ins, delays, etc., don't provide that.
Handicaps, 90 racing, and whatever else isn't heads up came about because the very nature of heads up racing results in a combination of hard work and money spent. Anyone can provide the hard work, but not everyone can provide the money. When this became apparent, racing started to suffer (low car counts).
If there was a simple, easy way to communicate to the average fan the fact that racing is what it is because of that "root of all evil", maybe spectating would increase.

House of Darts · 02-17-2019, 10:08 PM

A recent post "WOULD YOU QUIT", by Mark Yacovone was the preamble to this present post. I think more was said there than this post. Money was important back in the 60's,70's,80's and 90's but not like it is now. With a manufacturer, supplier or whomever..., there are so many more options that bring money in to those that support this sport. The internet in general, websites,forums, FB and the rest are all vying for the same pot of money as racers . How do we do this? Definitely not by pissing and moaning. Pinks All Out started in 2005 and those first several episodes were lame. Yet the series grew and lasted till 2010.A fledgling show that kept changing to grow viewership. Many other shows evolved from that including street outlaws. Take a look on You Tube and see how many organizations there are that video and promote street racing or just racing. They are making money. Sportsman racers are not street racers or"bracket racers" but we need to find that niche that pays us to race. On You Tube you can find a particular class of class racing Amazing to see how many people watched 6 cylinders race at Indy. Same with many other classes. This is the hook that will get non racers to drift over, understand and accept handicapped class racing. It would be a better deal if Forest Lucas would take over the sportsman classes. He has the infrastructure to produce, introduce and define or redefine sportsman racing. If we don't get our act together....

1320racer · 02-17-2019, 09:45 PM

I'm back, did you miss me?

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Originally Posted by GUMP

the stands have been packed for Lights Out........

ghetto racing and the element it appeals to and brings to a track is no competition to the NHRA/LODRS events and what we do and I'll never be any part of it.

02-17-2019, 03:38 PM	#5
GUMP VIP Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Shelby, NC Posts: 1,817 Likes: 2,153 Liked 2,336 Times in 549 Posts	Re: If an advocate could be found - what would you say? At the Orlando points meet I was the only car that pitted on the "spectator" side. I had a pretty steady flow of visitors. Almost every one of them asked me what the deal was with the way all the super class cars ran. I did my best to explain to them what was going on, but don't feel that I really won them over. Maybe this can be fixed with better announcing? I think that a lot more could be done to make sportsman racing more "fan friendly". As a side note, the stands have been packed for Lights Out........

02-17-2019, 10:08 PM	#9
House of Darts Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 346 Likes: 19 Liked 20 Times in 15 Posts	Re: If an advocate could be found - what would you say? A recent post "WOULD YOU QUIT", by Mark Yacovone was the preamble to this present post. I think more was said there than this post. Money was important back in the 60's,70's,80's and 90's but not like it is now. With a manufacturer, supplier or whomever..., there are so many more options that bring money in to those that support this sport. The internet in general, websites,forums, FB and the rest are all vying for the same pot of money as racers . How do we do this? Definitely not by pissing and moaning. Pinks All Out started in 2005 and those first several episodes were lame. Yet the series grew and lasted till 2010.A fledgling show that kept changing to grow viewership. Many other shows evolved from that including street outlaws. Take a look on You Tube and see how many organizations there are that video and promote street racing or just racing. They are making money. Sportsman racers are not street racers or"bracket racers" but we need to find that niche that pays us to race. On You Tube you can find a particular class of class racing Amazing to see how many people watched 6 cylinders race at Indy. Same with many other classes. This is the hook that will get non racers to drift over, understand and accept handicapped class racing. It would be a better deal if Forest Lucas would take over the sportsman classes. He has the infrastructure to produce, introduce and define or redefine sportsman racing. If we don't get our act together....