NHRA "FIXED" Factory Showdown

This has what to do with Factory Showdown racing?

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Damn I wish Pure Stock was back.
Getting it set up to make STOCK is $10000.
Another $10000 to make it competitive with other care in class
And that is cheap.
To really make it all up requires frame up restoration to benefit from all the rules. Weight shifting, special bearings, REM, metal treatment. ETC

The concept of Stock left reality a long time ago.

They are Comp cars with a smaller cam.

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

This has what to do with Factory Showdown racing?

You guys are bewildered about the high cost, $400000 for FS Racer.
Or for that matter any Stocker today.
You give accolades to a person building a Dime Racer.
These Cars are slower than Pure Stockers!
You diss CM and PS even though they are cost effective Stockers.
You all wave your arms up and down how NHRA may kill S/SS.
Because it is a lot more difficult to govern and tech.
There is nothing Stock about our Stockers..
It is SS with a smaller cam and tire now with Solid Lifters.

Now you wish I go away because ....!?

[dynomo]

I think the big question is why can a guy with a 10,000 dollar bracket car race in any part of the country for 10,000 to 20,000 on just about any weekend with next to no fans and a guy with. 200,000 dollar car racing in front of sold out crowds in a factory supported class is racing for 1500.00...just maybe the racer needs a little bigger slice of the NHRA pie...if your lucky enough to win any class in the biggest racing organization in drag racing NHRA ...it should at least pay your expenses for the weekend when you look at the fact that there are bracket races paying more for one race than NHRA pays for there world championship kinda takes the shine off there championship...Hell street outlaws race for 40,000$ an episode with full tv coverage and they have a fan base and TV ratings...and I know for a fact that those cars can be built a lot cheaper than a factory stock car...Love NHRA racing just think it's time racers get a little slice of the pie

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by dynomo

I think the big question is why can a guy with a 10,000 dollar bracket car race in any part of the country for 10,000 to 20,000 on just about any weekend with next to no fans and a guy with. 200,000 dollar car racing in front of sold out crowds in a factory supported class is racing for 1500.00...
Love NHRA racing just think it's time racers get a little slice of the pie

Because the guy with the 10K Bracket Car is participating in races put on by (basically) small Promoters who are (usually) also Racers.
The NHRA B-O-Ds aren't Racers. They take advantage of the current crop of Racers by "selling" NHRAs historical significance to the "sport" that has now just become a "hobby". The people running the NHRA got "bit" by the greed bug.

[Rich Biebel]

The Mayor of NYC recently said.....


There is plenty of money in NYC, it's just in the wrong hands.....

You can just remove "NYC" and insert NHRA and you get your answer as to why people are racing for $1500 with a car and support equipment worth 6 or 7 figures...…

Cause they can, and they want to.....applies to both sides of that coin....

[Dan Lattimore]

Originally Posted by dynomo

i think the big question is why can a guy with a 10,000 dollar bracket car race in any part of the country for 10,000 to 20,000 on just about any weekend with next to no fans and a guy with. 200,000 dollar car racing in front of sold out crowds in a factory supported class is racing for 1500.00...just maybe the racer needs a little bigger slice of the nhra pie...if your lucky enough to win any class in the biggest racing organization in drag racing nhra ...it should at least pay your expenses for the weekend when you look at the fact that there are bracket races paying more for one race than nhra pays for there world championship kinda takes the shine off there championship...hell street outlaws race for 40,000$ an episode with full tv coverage and they have a fan base and tv ratings...and i know for a fact that those cars can be built a lot cheaper than a factory stock car...love nhra racing just think it's time racers get a little slice of the pie

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I think as time goes on these cars will gather more sponsors and it will cost less for the individuals participating. Do you think DSR or Force Racing cuts a check out of the company to enter these races or pay for the parts or repairs? Sponsors do. Do you think the 50,000 or whatever prize money they win really pays the expenses for a weekend and shows a profit? Probably not.

The bracket guy and sportsman pay most out of their pocket go these races and complete for the big money. But if they don’t win and loose in the later rounds does the money really work out? Racing for and winning are 2 different things. I’m not sure it does or not.

When the sportsman racer shows up with a 500,000 plus rig not including the car or anything else how much does he have to win to make it worth it?
Maybe racing with a little less overhead makes the math work better.

This is about showdown racing. It’s not about turning a profit from prize money. It helps the engine guy sell more engines, the company advertise on a bigger stage with more exposure. The individual driving to expand his opportunities and advancement. There’s more to it.

I’f you are racing for a career or to become financially stable I wish you luck. Maybe try out for the Yankees, Cowboys or Bruins on the off weekends. Just in case that doesn’t work out. Very few have the talent to do it.

Originally Posted by dynomo

I think the big question is why can a guy with a 10,000 dollar bracket car race in any part of the country for 10,000 to 20,000 on just about any weekend with next to no fans and a guy with. 200,000 dollar car racing in front of sold out crowds in a factory supported class is racing for 1500.00...just maybe the racer needs a little bigger slice of the NHRA pie...if your lucky enough to win any class in the biggest racing organization in drag racing NHRA ...it should at least pay your expenses for the weekend when you look at the fact that there are bracket races paying more for one race than NHRA pays for there world championship kinda takes the shine off there championship...Hell street outlaws race for 40,000$ an episode with full tv coverage and they have a fan base and TV ratings...and I know for a fact that those cars can be built a lot cheaper than a factory stock car...Love NHRA racing just think it's time racers get a little slice of the pie

[BG56]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

I think as time goes on these cars will gather more sponsors and it will cost less for the individuals participating. Do you think DSR or Force Racing cuts a check out of the company to enter these races or pay for the parts or repairs? Sponsors do. Do you think the 50,000 or whatever prize money they win really pays the expenses for a weekend and shows a profit? Probably not.

The bracket guy and sportsman pay most out of their pocket go these races and complete for the big money. But if they don’t win and loose in the later rounds does the money really work out? Racing for and winning are 2 different things. I’m not sure it does or not.

When the sportsman racer shows up with a 500,000 plus rig not including the car or anything else how much does he have to win to make it worth it?
Maybe racing with a little less overhead makes the math work better.

This is about showdown racing. It’s not about turning a profit from prize money. It helps the engine guy sell more engines, the company advertise on a bigger stage with more exposure. The individual driving to expand his opportunities and advancement. There’s more to it.

I’f you are racing for a career or to become financially stable I wish you luck. Maybe try out for the Yankees, Cowboys or Bruins on the off weekends. Just in case that doesn’t work out. Very few have the talent to do it.

You have to admit $1500 is laughable (and embarrassing). Yeah they choose to do it for whatever reason, God bless em. I posted in the off-season requesting payout info and the consensus was what's been stated here. But for NHRA to post a picture of the winner with that paltry check? Ooof.

Originally Posted by BG56

You have to admit $1500 is laughable (and embarrassing). Yeah they choose to do it for whatever reason, God bless em. I posted in the off-season requesting payout info and the consensus was what's been stated here. But for NHRA to post a picture of the winner with that paltry check? Ooof.

No it should be more for sure. This is not the only organization with the current payout situation

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/17/nasc...-cars-run.html

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Now you wish I go away because ....!?

Because NHRA TRIED "Pure Stock" in the early 70s. It didn't work then and it definitely won't work now. With all of the Tech people they employed back then, they didn't have enough to keep all of the entrants "Pure Stock". It wasn't uncommon to only have a couple of dozen cars in a field and to have the winner and ru DQd. It DID make SS and MP very popular though.
Apparently in the 21ST Century, Racers have "money managers" and "inheritances" and "401Ks" to pick up their racing expenses and they don't care what it costs them to participate.
If you don't want to spend your way in then find a place to hide and build a "Dime Rocket" but Pure Stock ain't happening.

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