Nasty rumors

Tim Barrett · 07-30-2019, 09:03 AM

James and Billy,,for the next year or 2 no new engines. If I could learn how to drive again definitely a new Pro build engine would be 1st priority. But its kinda sad many guys put lots of time and $$$ into their combination and years of testing to be penalized for their long hard work. I still saw,,Let the guys run,,if someone is 1.40 plus under then check them out. We all know most combo's there are guys that can run 1.20 under.

Tim Barrett · 07-30-2019, 09:08 AM

I forgot,,it's very pleasing that so far we've run 11.33 at 116.18 in G/SA 69 Camaro with an engine I built with maching from a great machinest at a local NAPA,,Gary Waters.

B Parker · 07-30-2019, 12:25 PM

Mike I believe if your a performance type of person and you really want to go fast and you can't go 1.20 you need to work on your stuff. And yes spend some money. I hope no one told you Stock and Super Stock is a cheap class to run. It can be but your not going to realize the true performance of your combo. With all the enhancements we have had over the last 15 years I don't think there are many combo's that can't achieve that performance. I bought a 74 Corvette from a nice guy in Tn about 6 years ago. When we picked it up he told us that it was a tough combo with the HP rating and didn't think it was a good car any more for the class. A year and a half later we were going 10.70's in G/SA. Now I have a 1970 Camaro. Bought from another real nice guy. He bought motors from several different builders including Armstrong and Ficcaci . The fastest that I have seen him run was low 10.20's in great air. Here a year and a half later I was running 10.0's this past weekend in the heat with still more left. My point again there is always more to get out of your car. And by the way it still has the motor in it that as when I bought it from him. Yes the best Brian Thilburg has freshened it up for me.
MY brother and I have preached to our friends for years. Find 10 things that only give you a .01 and you now have a tenth. Get lucky on some of those ten things and you could have a lot more. On the 3 hr ride home from the track this weekend all I could think about all the way home were those 10 things I need to do to the car. BP

Mike Pearson · 07-30-2019, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by B Parker

Mike I believe if your a performance type of person and you really want to go fast and you can't go 1.20 you need to work on your stuff. And yes spend some money. I hope no one told you Stock and Super Stock is a cheap class to run. It can be but your not going to realize the true performance of your combo. With all the enhancements we have had over the last 15 years I don't think there are many combo's that can't achieve that performance. I bought a 74 Corvette from a nice guy in Tn about 6 years ago. When we picked it up he told us that it was a tough combo with the HP rating and didn't think it was a good car any more for the class. A year and a half later we were going 10.70's in G/SA. Now I have a 1970 Camaro. Bought from another real nice guy. He bought motors from several different builders including Armstrong and Ficcaci . The fastest that I have seen him run was low 10.20's in great air. Here a year and a half later I was running 10.0's this past weekend in the heat with still more left. My point again there is always more to get out of your car. And by the way it still has the motor in it that as when I bought it from him. Yes the best Brian Thilburg has freshened it up for me.
MY brother and I have preached to our friends for years. Find 10 things that only give you a .01 and you now have a tenth. Get lucky on some of those ten things and you could have a lot more. On the 3 hr ride home from the track this weekend all I could think about all the way home were those 10 things I need to do to the car. BP

You are probably right on most points. Personally my car is not capable of running that fast and I know of no other car in my same combo that is capable of running a second under. I don’t have the time or money to run at the top of the Q sheet but I do enjoy racing super stock. I know my limitations and am happy with my performance given what I have. Nothing against some that work to find combos that are more competitive than others. I just don’t see that many that can run faster then the 1.20 barrier. I guess we will see what everyone has at Indy when the gloves come off. I bet some will still be on the brakes at the end not to show all that they have. I would if I was in that position.

B Parker · 07-30-2019, 03:29 PM

Mike I agree with Indy not all will show everything they have until they have to. Case in point last year Jammin Jerry goes 10.22 in qualifying at 2100 ft of air. In the 6th round with 3900 ft of air he goes 10.18 heads up for the win. BP

James Perrone · 07-30-2019, 03:39 PM

Mike and Tim if going 120 was so easy EVERYONE WOULD Do It.
Just to get my car 1 second under took a few years a bunch of$$$ and time testing
Like the Wise Barry Parker said. Find 10 things that pick you up a little and BAM your faster. Now most people run their cars as fast as it will go barely over minimum weight.
When you do the hard work and development then you have a FAST car.
Then you have to slow it down weight extra oil timing pushed back.
Only a fool would constantly go all out 1 second under with their combo now you wasted your $$$$$

Bruce Noland · 07-30-2019, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by B Parker

Mike I believe if your a performance type of person and you really want to go fast and you can't go 1.20 you need to work on your stuff. And yes spend some money. I hope no one told you Stock and Super Stock is a cheap class to run. It can be but your not going to realize the true performance of your combo. With all the enhancements we have had over the last 15 years I don't think there are many combo's that can't achieve that performance. I bought a 74 Corvette from a nice guy in Tn about 6 years ago. When we picked it up he told us that it was a tough combo with the HP rating and didn't think it was a good car any more for the class. A year and a half later we were going 10.70's in G/SA. Now I have a 1970 Camaro. Bought from another real nice guy. He bought motors from several different builders including Armstrong and Ficcaci . The fastest that I have seen him run was low 10.20's in great air. Here a year and a half later I was running 10.0's this past weekend in the heat with still more left. My point again there is always more to get out of your car. And by the way it still has the motor in it that as when I bought it from him. Yes the best Brian Thilburg has freshened it up for me.
MY brother and I have preached to our friends for years. Find 10 things that only give you a .01 and you now have a tenth. Get lucky on some of those ten things and you could have a lot more. On the 3 hr ride home from the track this weekend all I could think about all the way home were those 10 things I need to do to the car. BP

Barry,
To be fair I think you left out one important fact in this post. And that is the gentleman you bought your car from may have been a really nice guy but he found this car to be very challenging and he became extremely frustrated and just walked away. I wish I was that smart. But he rarely, if ever, got a clean pass with the car and decided to let it go cheap. I don't think it's helpful to call out Ficacci and Armstrong while praising Thilburg, no matter how soft you make it appear. In all probability, the former owner of your car would have had just as much trouble with the car if he had a Thilburg motor in it.

B Parker · 07-30-2019, 07:45 PM

Bruce by no means was I saying anything wrong about Armstrong and Ficcaci. I may have wrote it wrong. My point was just the opposite. It's more than just spending money on motors and parts to get your car to hit that 1.20 mark. He had two good motors for the car but still could not get it to run to it's potential. My car still has the Ficcaci motor in it. When we put it on the dyno it made real good power. It's not making that much more now.

I wrote this because I hear to often that my car can't go that fast because the combo is not good. I think most combo's are good you just have to work on it or phone a friend BP

Bruce I just read my post again and nowhere did I call out either Armstrong or Ficcaci. Both are premiere engine builders.

Lenny5160 · 07-31-2019, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by B Parker

Bruce I just read my post again and nowhere did I call out either Armstrong or Ficcaci. Both are premiere engine builders.

When I first read your post, I interpreted it the way you intended. You were saying that even though he was buying some of the best engines, there was still a lot of unused potential in the car.

B Parker · 07-31-2019, 06:47 PM

I wasn't trying to pick on the Guys that I bought the cars from. It's so easy for some to say if you can run 1.20 under you should get HP. What if someone does it in your combo. There are not many combo's that if time money and effort are put into them that can't run 1.20 under. This weekend is Atco. Even this time of year in the heat Atco can be fast. How many that go to Atco this weekend will detune their car so they don't run a second under. My guess would be almost half he field.

Bruce glad to see you are out again. BP

07-30-2019, 09:03 AM	#1
Tim Barrett Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Fort Ann New York State Posts: 144 Likes: 988 Liked 472 Times in 72 Posts	Re: Nasty rumors James and Billy,,for the next year or 2 no new engines. If I could learn how to drive again definitely a new Pro build engine would be 1st priority. But its kinda sad many guys put lots of time and $$$ into their combination and years of testing to be penalized for their long hard work. I still saw,,Let the guys run,,if someone is 1.40 plus under then check them out. We all know most combo's there are guys that can run 1.20 under.

07-30-2019, 09:08 AM	#2
Tim Barrett Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Fort Ann New York State Posts: 144 Likes: 988 Liked 472 Times in 72 Posts	Re: Nasty rumors I forgot,,it's very pleasing that so far we've run 11.33 at 116.18 in G/SA 69 Camaro with an engine I built with maching from a great machinest at a local NAPA,,Gary Waters.

07-30-2019, 12:25 PM	#3
B Parker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 849 Likes: 980 Liked 2,336 Times in 464 Posts	Re: Nasty rumors Mike I believe if your a performance type of person and you really want to go fast and you can't go 1.20 you need to work on your stuff. And yes spend some money. I hope no one told you Stock and Super Stock is a cheap class to run. It can be but your not going to realize the true performance of your combo. With all the enhancements we have had over the last 15 years I don't think there are many combo's that can't achieve that performance. I bought a 74 Corvette from a nice guy in Tn about 6 years ago. When we picked it up he told us that it was a tough combo with the HP rating and didn't think it was a good car any more for the class. A year and a half later we were going 10.70's in G/SA. Now I have a 1970 Camaro. Bought from another real nice guy. He bought motors from several different builders including Armstrong and Ficcaci . The fastest that I have seen him run was low 10.20's in great air. Here a year and a half later I was running 10.0's this past weekend in the heat with still more left. My point again there is always more to get out of your car. And by the way it still has the motor in it that as when I bought it from him. Yes the best Brian Thilburg has freshened it up for me. MY brother and I have preached to our friends for years. Find 10 things that only give you a .01 and you now have a tenth. Get lucky on some of those ten things and you could have a lot more. On the 3 hr ride home from the track this weekend all I could think about all the way home were those 10 things I need to do to the car. BP Last edited by B Parker; 07-30-2019 at 12:30 PM.

07-30-2019, 03:29 PM	#5
B Parker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 849 Likes: 980 Liked 2,336 Times in 464 Posts	Re: Nasty rumors Mike I agree with Indy not all will show everything they have until they have to. Case in point last year Jammin Jerry goes 10.22 in qualifying at 2100 ft of air. In the 6th round with 3900 ft of air he goes 10.18 heads up for the win. BP

07-30-2019, 03:39 PM	#6
James Perrone VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: LONG ISLAND N.Y. Posts: 1,681 Likes: 3,394 Liked 1,829 Times in 427 Posts	Re: Nasty rumors Mike and Tim if going 120 was so easy EVERYONE WOULD Do It. Just to get my car 1 second under took a few years a bunch of$$$ and time testing Like the Wise Barry Parker said. Find 10 things that pick you up a little and BAM your faster. Now most people run their cars as fast as it will go barely over minimum weight. When you do the hard work and development then you have a FAST car. Then you have to slow it down weight extra oil timing pushed back. Only a fool would constantly go all out 1 second under with their combo now you wasted your $$$$$ __________________ james perrone 1290 STK

07-30-2019, 07:45 PM	#8
B Parker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 849 Likes: 980 Liked 2,336 Times in 464 Posts	Re: Nasty rumors Bruce by no means was I saying anything wrong about Armstrong and Ficcaci. I may have wrote it wrong. My point was just the opposite. It's more than just spending money on motors and parts to get your car to hit that 1.20 mark. He had two good motors for the car but still could not get it to run to it's potential. My car still has the Ficcaci motor in it. When we put it on the dyno it made real good power. It's not making that much more now. I wrote this because I hear to often that my car can't go that fast because the combo is not good. I think most combo's are good you just have to work on it or phone a friend BP Bruce I just read my post again and nowhere did I call out either Armstrong or Ficcaci. Both are premiere engine builders. Last edited by B Parker; 07-30-2019 at 07:52 PM.

07-31-2019, 06:47 PM	#10
B Parker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 849 Likes: 980 Liked 2,336 Times in 464 Posts	Re: Nasty rumors I wasn't trying to pick on the Guys that I bought the cars from. It's so easy for some to say if you can run 1.20 under you should get HP. What if someone does it in your combo. There are not many combo's that if time money and effort are put into them that can't run 1.20 under. This weekend is Atco. Even this time of year in the heat Atco can be fast. How many that go to Atco this weekend will detune their car so they don't run a second under. My guess would be almost half he field. Bruce glad to see you are out again. BP