Index Change Rumor

MEXJOE · 11-24-2019, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Glen, What if the heads up is in the final on Sunday? Nobody wants to go to work at 6 pm Sunday, least of all, the tech guys.
Too many 1.20 under runs lately..Raise the trigger ..then no more goodies for five years.

I think LAZY is the new ideal! All parties involved!

Pat6868 · 11-25-2019, 08:12 AM

IMHO pure stock was a good class. Pretty much stock eliminator before the valve spring change. With adherence to those rules anybody can afford to race. And the challenge of building a good car within the rules was there for anyone. Hence the term "entry level". Super stock is there for anyone who wants to really push it. Stock today, one way or another, is what the racers asked for which brings us to today's reality of the class. Not exactly my idea of progress.

rboyle · 11-25-2019, 08:25 AM

Racing of any kind is not and never has been cheap. It is for most of us a secondary part of life. A hobby, a fascination, an addiction, a secondary source of income, a part of the business you are in, etc. Most it is not the primary source of income but something we do with our spare money or whatever.
Race fuel, slicks, engines and transmissions set up for any type of racing, safety equipment, support vehicle and trailer, entry fees, hotels, gas, tolls, and time off work it gets expensive real quick.
Racing is a luxury that many can't afford, racing at the National Event level is a privilege.
Know this going in and it is much easier to accept.

rod butcher · 11-25-2019, 09:44 AM

I am not for lowering the index's in stock. I think you would lose some racers that are on the lower end of the qualifying sheet.
For us personally It would be a good thing to have the index lowered, but for the class as a whole, not so much. Lowering the index's would only help the minority. Just my 2 cents

B Parker · 11-25-2019, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rod butcher

I am not for lowering the index's in stock. I think you would lose some racers that are on the lower end of the qualifying sheet.
For us personally It would be a good thing to have the index lowered, but for the class as a whole, not so much. Lowering the index's would only help the minority. Just my 2 cents

Rod I agree with the index's not being lowered. What do you think about doing something with the AHFS/ Barry

Jim Whitehead · 11-25-2019, 11:19 AM

Ha Barry. My post was not meant to be negative towards you. I agree most new racers are second or third generation racers. This may be in part because that was the only way they where exposed to the sport. I dont think NHRA does anything to promote Stock/or super stock. Also i see a lot of negative comments on this forum and in person when someone says they want to get into stock.
I agree the system is broken. Yes it is a performance based category

Maybe NHRA should raise the trigger to . 1.15 Under for a review, and 1.25 on automatic hits.
Also maybe not post the averages twice a year. Make it more difficult for people to play the game.

B Parker · 11-25-2019, 11:48 AM

[QUOTE=Jim Whitehead;602689]Ha Barry. My post was not meant to be negative towards you. I agree most new racers are second or third generation racers. This may be in part because that was the only way they where exposed to the sport. I dont think NHRA does anything to promote Stock/or super stock. Also i see a lot of negative comments on this forum and in person when someone says they want to get into stock.
I agree the system is broken. Yes it is a performance based category

Maybe NHRA should raise the trigger to . 1.15 Under for a review, and 1.25 on automatic hits.
Also maybe not post the averages twice a year. Make it more difficult for people to play the game.[/QUOTE

Jim I didn't take it as negative. You hit the nail on the head NHRA has done nothing to show they want the average guy or girl to race Stock. I know Billy said they want new blood in the sport but I would have to question what class they want them in. If they think giving us all the after market parts driving the cost to build a competitive stocker up. Lowering the quota's at National Events to where you have to go to 6 or more grade point races. Having chased off so many paying manufactures. We all could go on. Now if that is their business plan for growing our end of the sport maybe it's time they take another look at it. BP

Race Clean · 11-25-2019, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Whitehead

Also maybe not post the averages twice a year. Make it more difficult for people to play the game.

What about change it so people can't play the average game?
Only use the 2-3 fastest numbers a year from each racer eng/car combo towards the average.
That could make the averages a little more accurate.

B Parker · 11-25-2019, 11:33 AM

Tim just for your info even though it's none of your business I paid for test and tune long before they started the gamblers race. The gamblers race was as you said was 25 dollars to enter. Less than 20 joined how much did you think it was going to pay. At several of the ASRA meets I see cars all the time running test and tune and the ASAR race. Is there a rule against it? I'm not missing your point your missing mine. You my friend have no say in how and when I race my car and I have none in yours!! You act like you are new to Stock but you are second generation and have been at the races for years with your dad. When we ran in the third round if you told me that if I beat you it was going to ruin your weekend and take the wind out of your sails would you have wanted me to take a dive. Would you have felt better knowing that you really didn't win that round. Not me. I'm sorry you were so upset. Instead of complaining to everyone there why didn't you come over and tell me how you felt. I would have told you why I decided not to race in the final. The right I had the choice to make by beating you. As I said I just didn't think it was worth me beating on my car anymore. My choice not yours. Greg won 200 when Marc gave me the money I believe it was 125. I will buy a participation trophy and keep it in my trailer so if we race again and if you loose I will give it to you. Than maybe you will feel better. This sport is a tough one. Your going to need to handle a loss better and understand you can only control how you race not others. Again if it was the main ASRA on Sunday I would have gone up for the final. BP

tstickff · 11-25-2019, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by B Parker

Tim just for your info even though it's none of your business I paid for test and tune long before they started the gamblers race. The gamblers race was as you said was 25 dollars to enter. Less than 20 joined how much did you think it was going to pay. At several of the ASRA meets I see cars all the time running test and tune and the ASAR race. Is there a rule against it? I'm not missing your point your missing mine. You my friend have no say in how and when I race my car and I have none in yours!! You act like you are new to Stock but you are second generation and have been at the races for years with your dad. When we ran in the third round if you told me that if I beat you it was going to ruin your weekend and take the wind out of your sails would you have wanted me to take a dive. Would you have felt better knowing that you really didn't win that round. Not me. I'm sorry you were so upset. Instead of complaining to everyone there why didn't you come over and tell me how you felt. I would have told you why I decided not to race in the final. The right I had the choice to make by beating you. As I said I just didn't think it was worth me beating on my car anymore. My choice not yours. Greg won 200 when Marc gave me the money I believe it was 125. I will buy a participation trophy and keep it in my trailer so if we race again and if you loose I will give it to you. Than maybe you will feel better. This sport is a tough one. Your going to need to handle a loss better and understand you can only control how you race not others. Again if it was the main ASRA on Sunday I would have gone up for the final. BP

Barry, I said my peace, but you can’t seem to let it go, I wasn’t that upset about it, to tell the truth it was more your pompous attitude about it that bothered me more, I wasn’t upset about the 200 dollars, and no I wouldn’t have asked you to take a dive, I don’t operate that way, and I wouldn’t expect you to either, again, it was more how you went about it. I can take a loss just fine, and yes I have been around for a while and I respect my elders, but when something like that happens to you, I’m sure you would have lost a little respect for that person also, just my opinion. Believe me, if I couldn’t afford this game, I wouldn’t be doing it. But I can, and I can have my own opinion on what happened, had I known maybe I would have dialed different and not beat up on my stuff trying to win a round, maybe you could have been upfront and say hey after this pass I’m done. Maybe next time just be upfront to your competition that’s all, and your right it’s none of my business either way!

11-25-2019, 08:12 AM	#2
Pat6868 Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 102 Likes: 6 Liked 88 Times in 28 Posts	Re: Index Change Rumor IMHO pure stock was a good class. Pretty much stock eliminator before the valve spring change. With adherence to those rules anybody can afford to race. And the challenge of building a good car within the rules was there for anyone. Hence the term "entry level". Super stock is there for anyone who wants to really push it. Stock today, one way or another, is what the racers asked for which brings us to today's reality of the class. Not exactly my idea of progress.

11-25-2019, 08:25 AM	#3
rboyle Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 604 Likes: 1,454 Liked 586 Times in 162 Posts	Re: Index Change Rumor Racing of any kind is not and never has been cheap. It is for most of us a secondary part of life. A hobby, a fascination, an addiction, a secondary source of income, a part of the business you are in, etc. Most it is not the primary source of income but something we do with our spare money or whatever. Race fuel, slicks, engines and transmissions set up for any type of racing, safety equipment, support vehicle and trailer, entry fees, hotels, gas, tolls, and time off work it gets expensive real quick. Racing is a luxury that many can't afford, racing at the National Event level is a privilege. Know this going in and it is much easier to accept.

11-25-2019, 09:44 AM	#4
rod butcher Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 252 Likes: 304 Liked 132 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Index Change Rumor I am not for lowering the index's in stock. I think you would lose some racers that are on the lower end of the qualifying sheet. For us personally It would be a good thing to have the index lowered, but for the class as a whole, not so much. Lowering the index's would only help the minority. Just my 2 cents

11-25-2019, 11:19 AM	#6
Jim Whitehead Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: MA. Posts: 288 Likes: 153 Liked 150 Times in 41 Posts	Re: Index Change Rumor Ha Barry. My post was not meant to be negative towards you. I agree most new racers are second or third generation racers. This may be in part because that was the only way they where exposed to the sport. I dont think NHRA does anything to promote Stock/or super stock. Also i see a lot of negative comments on this forum and in person when someone says they want to get into stock. I agree the system is broken. Yes it is a performance based category Maybe NHRA should raise the trigger to . 1.15 Under for a review, and 1.25 on automatic hits. Also maybe not post the averages twice a year. Make it more difficult for people to play the game.

11-25-2019, 11:48 AM	#7
B Parker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 851 Likes: 980 Liked 2,339 Times in 465 Posts	Re: Index Change Rumor [QUOTE=Jim Whitehead;602689]Ha Barry. My post was not meant to be negative towards you. I agree most new racers are second or third generation racers. This may be in part because that was the only way they where exposed to the sport. I dont think NHRA does anything to promote Stock/or super stock. Also i see a lot of negative comments on this forum and in person when someone says they want to get into stock. I agree the system is broken. Yes it is a performance based category Maybe NHRA should raise the trigger to . 1.15 Under for a review, and 1.25 on automatic hits. Also maybe not post the averages twice a year. Make it more difficult for people to play the game.[/QUOTE Jim I didn't take it as negative. You hit the nail on the head NHRA has done nothing to show they want the average guy or girl to race Stock. I know Billy said they want new blood in the sport but I would have to question what class they want them in. If they think giving us all the after market parts driving the cost to build a competitive stocker up. Lowering the quota's at National Events to where you have to go to 6 or more grade point races. Having chased off so many paying manufactures. We all could go on. Now if that is their business plan for growing our end of the sport maybe it's time they take another look at it. BP

11-25-2019, 11:33 AM	#9
B Parker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 851 Likes: 980 Liked 2,339 Times in 465 Posts	Re: Index Change Rumor Tim just for your info even though it's none of your business I paid for test and tune long before they started the gamblers race. The gamblers race was as you said was 25 dollars to enter. Less than 20 joined how much did you think it was going to pay. At several of the ASRA meets I see cars all the time running test and tune and the ASAR race. Is there a rule against it? I'm not missing your point your missing mine. You my friend have no say in how and when I race my car and I have none in yours!! You act like you are new to Stock but you are second generation and have been at the races for years with your dad. When we ran in the third round if you told me that if I beat you it was going to ruin your weekend and take the wind out of your sails would you have wanted me to take a dive. Would you have felt better knowing that you really didn't win that round. Not me. I'm sorry you were so upset. Instead of complaining to everyone there why didn't you come over and tell me how you felt. I would have told you why I decided not to race in the final. The right I had the choice to make by beating you. As I said I just didn't think it was worth me beating on my car anymore. My choice not yours. Greg won 200 when Marc gave me the money I believe it was 125. I will buy a participation trophy and keep it in my trailer so if we race again and if you loose I will give it to you. Than maybe you will feel better. This sport is a tough one. Your going to need to handle a loss better and understand you can only control how you race not others. Again if it was the main ASRA on Sunday I would have gone up for the final. BP