Index Change Rumor

[B Parker]

Originally Posted by tstickff

If it was the Sunday ASRA race that would have been different. If the seventy dollars was that important I wish you would have told me before the round.

Barry, your missing the point, no it wasn’t for $75 dollars actually, is was a few hundred bucks I believe, I can verify with Greg Sutherland since he won, but that’s not the point, if you aren’t concerned with whatever the win money was, because clearly you have that much money, then clearly you could have afforded the test and tune class that was operating that day and not messed up a perfectly good gamblers race because the difference was $25 to enter the gamblers compared to $75 or whatever the test and tune fee was. But yes you beat me, it was your choice to not continue, but for a younger guy like me having fun and enjoying time with my family racing, after your comment took the wind out of my sail and quite frankly the rest of the actual race.

Tim even though it's not your business I paid for both. Greg ended up with 200 for the win. I believe I received 125. It was 25 to enter how much did you think it paid. Sorry that I ruined your time with your family and took the wind out of your sails. The next time if there is one I will go into more detail why I decided not to run the final. But I have to ask you if I let you beat me would you have been ok with that. I know if someone was to take a dive for me I wouldn't feel like I really won. And not to upset you again but you have no say on how I race my car. That simple. Didn't think you were one of those that needed a participation trophy.

Oh and for the record, I appreciate your offer on the free speed secrets, but you can keep them, we are plenty fast.

Oh and for your record any time someone that has been racing for a while offers any imput I listen. And the day I think my car is plenty fast is the day I will quite racing Stock. Look forward to seeing you in the other lane.

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by B Parker

Tim First no where did I say you needed a 100,000 dollar car to race Stock. I think your car is sweet. And I don't care what class you run. You apparently don't know me at all. I ran a R/SA car for years and competed on a budget far less than most. I would think between your car trailer and tow vehicle that you guys have more than 25k involved. My point to this whole conversation was that Stock is not cheap!!! It's great that you work hard on your car. So do I. A lot of people think you just spend money and your car goes fast. Next time we are at a race together talk to me or my brother. We have been at it for a long time and could give you some cheap things to try.

Now lets set the record straight on the race you are talking about. It was a Saturday. The ASRA had a run off of the top 16 members that day and a members race on Sunday. And yes I'm a member and planned on racing on Sunday's race. I went on Saturday to do some testing. I heard that they were putting on a gamblers race for those that were not in the top 16. I don't get out to race much so thought I would join to get some practice. I believe we raced in the 3 round. I won. There was no bye the next round was the final. It was getting close to the end of the day and they wanted to hot lap the cars that were left. I had made the decision after that round not to run my car after making several test runs and then going a few rounds. If I remember the difference in money was 75 dollars. In my head I weighted it out and didn't think it was worth it to take a chance on cooking a trany or hurting parts. You said something to me and I said I didn't need the money. We were talking about 75 dollars. Don't know you well so I didn't think I needed to go into why I wasn't going to race the next round. Again I won the round with you so it was my choice. If it was the Sunday ASRA race that would have been different. If the seventy dollars was that important I wish you would have told me before the round. So I'm a littler confused why you are mad at me. Is it that I beat you or that I thought the seventy dollars wasn't worth me taking a chance on hurting any parts. It's just not a cheap class to run no matter what car you have. BP

To cut costs...bring the IHRA CM and PS classes back.
The conversion to full Stock from PS for my Impala is $15k.
That is to be somewhat competitive, reliable and safe.
For me it is also the time and maintenance.

I love the S/SS association races.
They bring the cost to fun ratio closer in line with local bracket racing.
For long distances meets....couple nights at a motel !
Do not have to worry about fuel checks or tear down.

In the North East most races are within a few hours to a day of driving.
Anything South or West are days of driving.

I remember at 75&80 and other tracks S/SS was every week end.

It would help if all the XHRA’s would collaborate with each other.
Use / Rent each other’s tracks and personnel.
Make setting local and National Records exciting.
Map where one race does not compete with another.
Work with S/SS associations to fill in race dates.
Maybe Get them involved with Divisional Points
Get a marketing company to advertise S/SS for the public for all tracks.

[farmco r/sa]

Originally Posted by The Hawk

I do !!!!!!!!!

X2..

[Jim Whitehead]

For the record I do believe Barry said he is NOT a fan of lowering the indexes, but would like to see NHRA do something about the AFHS.
Barry I think you may be wrong in thinking that no new or young people want to get into stock. My son joined the ranks this year, and I have another one behind him.
You are correct stock is not cheap anymore, however lowering the indexes won't help.
Stock needs to stay as a entry level class. We need to keep it affordable for new and young people to come join us and Learn. Let's show them what it takes to work on a car and let them want to get faster for the heads up races. If we just keep changing indexes and rules just to suite the faster cars we will have NO future.

[B Parker]

Originally Posted by Jim Whitehead

For the record I do believe Barry said he is NOT a fan of lowering the indexes, but would like to see NHRA do something about the AFHS.
Barry I think you may be wrong in thinking that no new or young people want to get into stock. My son joined the ranks this year, and I have another one behind him.
You are correct stock is not cheap anymore, however lowering the indexes won't help.
Stock needs to stay as a entry level class. We need to keep it affordable for new and young people to come join us and Learn. Let's show them what it takes to work on a car and let them want to get faster for the heads up races. If we just keep changing indexes and rules just to suite the faster cars we will have NO future.

Jim I'm not a fan of them lowering the index. I didn't say no one wants to get into stock racing and if you reread my post other than 2nd or third generation racers I myself don't know anyone that wants in. My brothers grandsons want to race. BP

[MEXJOE]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Glen, What if the heads up is in the final on Sunday? Nobody wants to go to work at 6 pm Sunday, least of all, the tech guys.
Too many 1.20 under runs lately..Raise the trigger ..then no more goodies for five years.

I think LAZY is the new ideal! All parties involved!

[Pat6868]

IMHO pure stock was a good class. Pretty much stock eliminator before the valve spring change. With adherence to those rules anybody can afford to race. And the challenge of building a good car within the rules was there for anyone. Hence the term "entry level". Super stock is there for anyone who wants to really push it. Stock today, one way or another, is what the racers asked for which brings us to today's reality of the class. Not exactly my idea of progress.

[rboyle]

Racing of any kind is not and never has been cheap. It is for most of us a secondary part of life. A hobby, a fascination, an addiction, a secondary source of income, a part of the business you are in, etc. Most it is not the primary source of income but something we do with our spare money or whatever.
Race fuel, slicks, engines and transmissions set up for any type of racing, safety equipment, support vehicle and trailer, entry fees, hotels, gas, tolls, and time off work it gets expensive real quick.
Racing is a luxury that many can't afford, racing at the National Event level is a privilege.
Know this going in and it is much easier to accept.

[rod butcher]

I am not for lowering the index's in stock. I think you would lose some racers that are on the lower end of the qualifying sheet.
For us personally It would be a good thing to have the index lowered, but for the class as a whole, not so much. Lowering the index's would only help the minority. Just my 2 cents

[B Parker]

Originally Posted by rod butcher

I am not for lowering the index's in stock. I think you would lose some racers that are on the lower end of the qualifying sheet.
For us personally It would be a good thing to have the index lowered, but for the class as a whole, not so much. Lowering the index's would only help the minority. Just my 2 cents

Rod I agree with the index's not being lowered. What do you think about doing something with the AHFS/ Barry