Mopar bogus intake removed

Dr. AngieB · 12-08-2019, 01:37 AM

[QUOTE=Greg Marshall;603422]About time, i was in a heads up race and on a second under pass and lifted after seeing just tail lights of the 65 Valiant I looked at their car's incrementals and it was on a 1.30 under pass

Why Greg did you just admit you were watching my rear end? The tail lights are one of the best features on that car. While I am extremely flattered that you thought my Valiant was on a 1.30 under pass, I hate to admit it, but it probably wouldn’t have gone any faster than 1.28 under. ��

Please don’t confuse hard work and research with an aluminum intake. Can’t wait for the 2020 season to start! See you soon!

Sincerely,
Said 65 Valiant Driver

jmcarter · 12-08-2019, 09:37 AM

[QUOTE=Dr. AngieB;603520][QUOTE=Greg Marshall....

Please don’t confuse hard work and research with an aluminum intake. Can’t wait for the 2020 season to start! See you soon!

Sincerely,
Said 65 Valiant Driver[/QUOTE]

Angie, there is no doubt that you and your Dad built an amazing car, making a combination work where most others have failed. Look forward to you printing some winning tickets in the great Northwest!

Billy Nees · 12-08-2019, 10:17 AM

[QUOTE=Dr. AngieB;603520]

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Please don’t confuse hard work and research with an aluminum intake. Can’t wait for the 2020 season to start! See you soon!

Sincerely,
Said 65 Valiant Driver

Young Lady (I can call you that, I have a daughter your age), I don't think that I would ever be accused of NOT working hard and NOT researching my combos and I wouldn't think the same of you and your Dad either. But hard work and research have absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that someone manipulated factory data and specs and flat-out lied to get an aluminum intake approved for a combo that never had one. Even the HP D-Dart never had one. It used the iron intake modified to take a holley carb.
It seems to me that the "Mopar" guys think that I only pick on them and nothing could be further from the truth. There's plenty of blame to go around but the NHRA has to find the stomach to start "fixing" all of these blatant "mistakes".
FFFord never built a "Police Interceptor" 390 or 352. They modified a couple of Comets to pace the Indy 500 because the base car wasn't fast enough.
Chevy never put a 327/300 intake on a 283. That was a typo in NHRA's own tech specs. and I can't say whether it was intentional or not. But you can't even bolt a 4GC to it without using AFB and 4GC gaskets to keep it from leaking.
Mopar never put aluminum heads on anything but a HEMI (and a VERY few slant 6s). Somebody in the "corporation" just grabbed a handful of Edelbrock's money to slide them into the guide.
And HEMI's! I would love to see just what carb and intake really came on a 4V HEMI! Not to mention that they only came in hardtops with a flat hood.
427 FFFords aren't any better either.
And don't get me going on 396/375 Chevys!

The NHRA Tech Dept. is going to need more than a "new Sheriff in town". It's going to have to call out the National Guard!

Grey Ghost · 12-08-2019, 11:08 AM

Go ahead and get going on the 396/375. NHRA=ACAT (All Chevy All the Time).

Aluminum heads are available for almost any motor combination. Why not the mopar combination?

Billy Nees · 12-08-2019, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Grey Ghost

Aluminum heads are available for almost any motor combination. Why not the mopar combination?

THAT is not true!
Come back and talk to me when ANY combo can use an aluminum head and I might see things a little differently.

Grey Ghost · 12-08-2019, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

THAT is not true!
Come back and talk to me when ANY combo can use an aluminum head and I might see things a little differently.

5 OEM head #s listed for 396/375 and an available Edelbrock repacement. How did that happen? Chrysler lobby for that?

Bill Grubbs · 12-08-2019, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Grey Ghost

5 OEM head casting #s listed for 396/375 and an available Edelbrock repacement. How did that happen? Chrysler lobby for that?

325 hp
350 hp
375 hp

Different castings?

Grey Ghost · 12-08-2019, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by grey ghost

5 oem head #s listed for 396/375 and an available edelbrock repacement. How did that happen? Chrysler lobby for that?

1966/67 396/375

Billy Nees · 12-08-2019, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Grey Ghost

5 OEM head #s listed for 396/375 and an available Edelbrock repacement. How did that happen? Chrysler lobby for that?

Hey Phil, the 396/375 by your own admission CAME with an aluminum head! Show me an OEM head # for ANY 383/413/426W/440. Show me ANY other small block combo with an aluminum "replacement" head listed other than a smallblock Mopar. Since when are OEM # 273/318 heads rare?
I wouldn't even have as much of a problem with them IF NHRA had kept their word on allowing aluminum replacement heads on the Mopars with a 10 HP penalty! But apparently when it comes to Mopars the aluminum head is considered a different combo and is "entitled" to it's own HP factor. I'm calling B.S. on this one!

Grey Ghost · 12-08-2019, 06:36 PM

[QUOTE=Billy Nees;603545]Hey Phil, the 396/375 by your own admission CAME with an aluminum head! Show me an OEM head # for ANY 383/413/426W/440. Show me ANY other small block combo with an aluminum "replacement" head listed other than a smallblock Mopar. Since when are OEM # 273/318 heads rare?
I wouldn't even have as much of a problem with them IF NHRA had kept their word on allowing aluminum replacement heads on the Mopars with a 10 HP penalty! But apparently when it comes to Mopars the aluminum head is considered a different combo and is "entitled" to it's own HP factor. I'm calling B.S. on this

Edelbrock also has approved aluminum heads for AMC, Ford, Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, and Chevrolet replacing iron heads...some are S/S only. There were also plenty of original Chevrolet heads made...aluminium and iron...Chevrolet car sales out paced Chrysler and other manufacturers most every year. You couldn't swing a dead cat around without hitting a big block Camero/Chevelle 40-50 yrs ago.

If the Chryslers shouldn't be allowed to replace iron heads with aluminum than no one else should either. I do not know why NHRA factors as they do. You need to take it up with them.

Wish they made a suitable aluminum replacement for the max wedge!

I need to get back to work in the shop...need the money to pay for the 3 sets aluminum heads I bought for my 65 Coronet 2dr post single 4 barrel hemi project.

Wishing you a great Christmas Billy!

12-08-2019, 01:37 AM	#1
Dr. AngieB Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 3 Likes: 5 Liked 13 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Mopar bogus intake removed [QUOTE=Greg Marshall;603422]About time, i was in a heads up race and on a second under pass and lifted after seeing just tail lights of the 65 Valiant I looked at their car's incrementals and it was on a 1.30 under pass Why Greg did you just admit you were watching my rear end? The tail lights are one of the best features on that car. While I am extremely flattered that you thought my Valiant was on a 1.30 under pass, I hate to admit it, but it probably wouldn’t have gone any faster than 1.28 under. �� Please don’t confuse hard work and research with an aluminum intake. Can’t wait for the 2020 season to start! See you soon! Sincerely, Said 65 Valiant Driver

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jmcarter VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Richmond Hill GA (and Port Ludlow WA) Posts: 4,299 Likes: 2,391 Liked 3,194 Times in 975 Posts	Re: Mopar bogus intake removed [QUOTE=Dr. AngieB;603520][QUOTE=Greg Marshall.... Please don’t confuse hard work and research with an aluminum intake. Can’t wait for the 2020 season to start! See you soon! Sincerely, Said 65 Valiant Driver[/QUOTE] Angie, there is no doubt that you and your Dad built an amazing car, making a combination work where most others have failed. Look forward to you printing some winning tickets in the great Northwest! __________________ Jim Carter 2340 Super Stock 2340 SST/2340 Stock Set another place at the table

12-08-2019, 11:08 AM	#4
Grey Ghost Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Iowa Posts: 209 Likes: 422 Liked 210 Times in 88 Posts	Re: Mopar bogus intake removed Go ahead and get going on the 396/375. NHRA=ACAT (All Chevy All the Time). Aluminum heads are available for almost any motor combination. Why not the mopar combination? __________________ Phil Vos Last edited by Grey Ghost; 12-08-2019 at 11:14 AM.

12-08-2019, 06:36 PM	#10
Grey Ghost Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Iowa Posts: 209 Likes: 422 Liked 210 Times in 88 Posts	Re: Mopar bogus intake removed [QUOTE=Billy Nees;603545]Hey Phil, the 396/375 by your own admission CAME with an aluminum head! Show me an OEM head # for ANY 383/413/426W/440. Show me ANY other small block combo with an aluminum "replacement" head listed other than a smallblock Mopar. Since when are OEM # 273/318 heads rare? I wouldn't even have as much of a problem with them IF NHRA had kept their word on allowing aluminum replacement heads on the Mopars with a 10 HP penalty! But apparently when it comes to Mopars the aluminum head is considered a different combo and is "entitled" to it's own HP factor. I'm calling B.S. on this Edelbrock also has approved aluminum heads for AMC, Ford, Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, and Chevrolet replacing iron heads...some are S/S only. There were also plenty of original Chevrolet heads made...aluminium and iron...Chevrolet car sales out paced Chrysler and other manufacturers most every year. You couldn't swing a dead cat around without hitting a big block Camero/Chevelle 40-50 yrs ago. If the Chryslers shouldn't be allowed to replace iron heads with aluminum than no one else should either. I do not know why NHRA factors as they do. You need to take it up with them. Wish they made a suitable aluminum replacement for the max wedge! I need to get back to work in the shop...need the money to pay for the 3 sets aluminum heads I bought for my 65 Coronet 2dr post single 4 barrel hemi project. Wishing you a great Christmas Billy! __________________ Phil Vos