Just talkin' here,

[Tom Broome]

Originally Posted by Chipper Chapman

And also to the consumer they want to sell tickets to. Fast heads up is what people want to see these days, and unfortunately, that's not us.

I agree, that's what NHRA wants. Yet Dan wants more slow(er) cars.
NHRA is happier with less racers in classes that might require teardowns. I feel NHRA wants to adopt the Billy Meyer/IHRA model as the path to the future. They just need to be less abrupt with the changes. So, let's slowly phase the racers out of the market, and replace them with more malleable participants. NHRA doesn't want to "fire" the current racers.....they want them to leave of there own free will.

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by Tom Broome

I agree, that's what NHRA wants. Yet Dan wants more slow(er) cars.
NHRA is happier with less racers in classes that might require teardowns. I feel NHRA wants to adopt the Billy Meyer/IHRA model as the path to the future. They just need to be less abrupt with the changes. So, let's slowly phase the racers out of the market, and replace them with more malleable participants. NHRA doesn't want to "fire" the current racers.....they want them to leave of there own free will.

SO how fast is fast?
Something wrong with lower class cars...?
A lot of T/U/V stockers showing up...something wrong with these cars?

[Mike Jones]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

SO how fast is fast?
Something wrong with lower class cars...?
A lot of T/U/V stockers showing up...something wrong with these cars?

I don`t know Dan, it seems to be trending the other way.

[ken robinson]

Billy the last time they changed the rules it was ruff ( 3 tenths wack ) . If they took your idea it would put me I to super street running 10.90's with 9 inch tires & less mph than most . Don't give them any ideas . If they did this a 10 year old car expires in only 5 years time . Wow

[Lenny5160]

Originally Posted by ken robinson

If they took your idea it would put me I to super street running 10.90's with 9 inch tires & less mph than most.

Don't knock it 'til you try it! It can work pretty well.

[Dave Noll]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Something wrong with lower class cars...?
A lot of T/U/V stockers showing up...something wrong with these cars?

Nothing wrong with them. I just started an EF/S build. I ran a S/SS combo with it @ my local track, and it went .3 under. I've been trying for 5 years to with my "N" car, before this

Originally Posted by ken robinson

Billy the last time they changed the rules it was ruff ( 3 tenths whack )

I had it @ .15 over. Now it's .45 over. (I know the "N" car is an odd combo, been looking throgh the Stock Car Classification & Blueprint section) I'm not giving up on it.
But when the wallet says so , I want to take the EF/S car to some divisionals.

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

but what would Stock Eliminator be like if the NHRA decided to instate the "15 Year" rule again?

Then there would be Nothing in NHRA that I could aspire or afford to try to race except, back to brackets.

[Tom Broome]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

SO how fast is fast?
Something wrong with lower class cars...?
A lot of T/U/V stockers showing up...something wrong with these cars?

Sounds like you're assuming I have something against slow cars.....I don't. A couple of Months ago I was having a weak moment and considered a T/SA combination......briefly. I've got too many out of date race parts already

NHRA already has more Stockers than they know what to do with, there is no room for Pure Stock and Crate Motor. Not to mention the tech inspection hassles.

How fast? Late model car fast, not 60's fast. I'm not picking on 60's cars, there are plenty of REALLY fast 60's cars out there. But face it, the participant age is getting older. To survive, NHRA needs a younger crowd. It's sad to say, but most of them can't relate to the cars we grew up with. Most don't care about older cars, I see it every day. There are multi-generational family(s) out there racing. But they're the exception, not the rule. What classes do you see a younger generation attracted to?

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by Tom Broome

Sounds like you're assuming I have something against slow cars.....I don't. A couple of Months ago I was having a weak moment and considered a T/SA combination......briefly. I've got too many out of date race parts already

NHRA already has more Stockers than they know what to do with, there is no room for Pure Stock and Crate Motor. Not to mention the tech inspection hassles.

How fast? Late model car fast, not 60's fast. I'm not picking on 60's cars, there are plenty of REALLY fast 60's cars out there. But face it, the participant age is getting older. To survive, NHRA needs a younger crowd. It's sad to say, but most of them can't relate to the cars we grew up with. Most don't care about older cars, I see it every day. There are multi-generational family(s) out there racing. But they're the exception, not the rule. What classes do you see a younger generation attracted to?

Tom...you wrote it down..Dan wants slow(er) cars..!
You are taking a back stroke now?

NHRA shot Stock in the foot not adopting the IHRA classes.
They wanted control of the sport and the Sheep went along with it.

But ooopps.. the Threads are now talking about the demise of S/SS.
They did not defend their sport and now reality is striking.
I saw the writing and now it is at everyones feet.
You are reading those posts?

As for Tech...big deal...Been torn down many time.
NHRA will have the whole engines pulled to inspect them to death.
CM are easier to tech.
The number of PS cars was not logistically a big issue.
So that is a lame argument.

All the Canadian Open Races invite IHRA cars.
Why.... because it helps their car count.
Not every Division has a plethora of cars..
Especially the western states where local is a day drive.

Want to grow new Class racers.
Incorporate platforms they can afford and upgrade.
That is how all of us got started.
Add some foreign makes to open it up.

Before IHRA killed S/SS, 6 guys building brand new PS combinations.
Got tons of questions from others what to do.
A few discussed moving from Stock to PS.
Two were trying to get their newer cars certified for Class.
I have their forms..

Dodge, Chevy SS, Mustang owners complained their cars were not listed because of the 2008 limit IHRA decreed. Bang Bang

Think about it.
1969 Camaro Stocker probably has $million invested in it over the years.
Originally a 15 second car now running in the 8’s after 50 years.

You want to save Stock you got to go back the roots that got us started.
Where you could drive to the track.
Put your racing tires on and compete.

At Mason Dixon S/SS meet we had 3 PS cars.
2008 GTO and 2015 Chevy SS
Greg Orris’s 08 GTO can run in the 11’s and is Stock.
Been bracket racing since he got it.

I did the same thing with mine to run Brackets and IHRA Stock.
Step by step got my F/PS 95 Impala SS quicker every year.
My car can run on/under the K/SA on a cool day.
Working to make it run it on a hot day.

CM is adopted in SS, called GT
Dan Fletcher’s 1969 Camaro has a LS engine in his.
Our B-Body Impala SS community is doing it for the Street.
That would energize Stock with all the makes.
Even within a platform like a 403 in a mid 80’s Cutlass.
Adding a 4bbl on a 307 Nova or 2v 302 Mustang

If you want Stock to survive we have to band together.
Have to follow the trends that are working.
Traditional, CM, GT, PS and whatever to keep it interesting.
Get it back to a point where there are so many Stockers.
Tracks can have regular local races like they did in 70’s and 80s.

Think about the bigger picture
Stocker owners often have 2-3 friends or entire family’s following along.

If they build it they will come !
Then comes the evolution !

D

[J.R. Haddad]

Dan, you're points, while self serving, are not valid. As mentioned above,
NHRA has more cars than they can handle. That doesn't serve us well,
as we drive all over these 2 large countries chasing grade points. If you wanted to go to a Washington NFL game, and they told you that you
had to go to 8 college games of THEIR choice before you could buy the NFL tickets, you would tell them
that they were nuts and walk away. That's what we do now in S/SS.
Why? Cause we're sick and twisted and have the NHRA needle in
our arm. We also have the greatest group of friends one could ever
hope for. We have a great time if we lose, and an even better time if
we win. There is a reasonable amount of youth scattered amongst the
classes, but if you think the 60's, 70's and 80's hot rodding era will re-invent itself, it ain't gonna happen. I'm going to enjoy and love what we have while we have it. J.R.

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by J.R. Haddad

Dan, you're points, while self serving, are not valid. As mentioned above,
NHRA has more cars than they can handle. That doesn't serve us well,
as we drive all over these 2 large countries chasing grade points. If you wanted to go to a Washington NFL game, and they told you that you
had to go to 8 college games of THEIR choice before you could buy the NFL tickets, you would tell them
that they were nuts and walk away. That's what we do now in S/SS.
Why? Cause we're sick and twisted and have the NHRA needle in
our arm. We also have the greatest group of friends one could ever
hope for. We have a great time if we lose, and an even better time if
we win. There is a reasonable amount of youth scattered amongst the
classes, but if you think the 60's, 70's and 80's hot rodding era will re-invent itself, it ain't gonna happen. I'm going to enjoy and love what we have while we have it. J.R.

Not about NHRA..Not self serving.
It is About more business to local tracks.
As for hot rodding it is always reinventing itself..!
The new generation defines what that is.

Yes and do enjoy what we have...!

D